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Today's date is June","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=2.0,7.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"8th, 2016, and we're here in the audio recording studio at CDC's [Centers for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=7.0,11.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Disease Control and Prevention] Roybal Campus in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=11.0,14.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"interviewing Dr. De Cock as part of our CDC Ebola [Response] Oral History","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=14.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Project. So, Dr. De Cock, thanks so much for being here, really happy to see","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=18.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you. For the record, could you please state your full name and your current","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=23.0,27.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"position with CDC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=27.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DE COCK: Yes, pleasure to be here. So I'm Kevin De Cock and I'm the country","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=28.0,33.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"director for CDC Kenya--that's CDC's office in the Republic of Kenya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=33.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Q: Thank you. Can you tell me when and where you were born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=36.0,40.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DE COCK: I was born in Belgium in a town called Aalst, which is between Brussels","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=40.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and Ghent, in 1952.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=45.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Q: Did you grow up in Belgium?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=46.0,48.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DE COCK: Yes I did, but at the age of seven I was sent to boarding school in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=48.0,54.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"England. 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Cold showers every day, that sort of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=121.0,127.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Discipline, physical punishment. 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You tell yourself this is not Ebola, this is not Ebola, and yet when you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4041.0,4047.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lie awake at night--you think the next day, are you any better? Well, no not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4047.0,4053.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"really. You start saying, I wish these women would just get better. [laughs] You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4053.0,4059.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"tell yourself this is not Ebola. Of course, this is not possible. 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Dr. Frieden,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4106.0,4111.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tom Frieden, the CDC director, came in late August. Actually, what was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4111.0,4116.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"interesting also, I remember this very well--it is just so difficult in that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4116.0,4122.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"situation to sit at the end of a telephone and try and describe to people on the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4122.0,4130.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"other side of the world what it's really like. The magnitude of this epidemic is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4130.0,4137.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"totally unprecedented. We've never seen Ebola in capital cities. It was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4137.0,4142.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"difficult just to describe the difficult conditions of Monrovia with the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4142.0,4147.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/729","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n rains","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4147.0,4147.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/730","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the Ebola treatment unit that was bursting to capacity or twice as many","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4147.0,4153.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/731","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"patients as could be accounted for. Dead people inside who weren't being","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4153.0,4159.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/732","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"collected, and the stress that our MSF colleagues were under. Samaritans Purse","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4159.0,4165.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/733","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"pulled all their personnel out. 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I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4178.0,4185.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/736","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think they questioned whether we were staying objective or not and perhaps, were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4185.0,4191.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/737","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we getting stressed and were we exaggerating? The answer is no, we were not. Was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4191.0,4198.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/738","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it stressful? Yes it was! Were we objective? Yes, we were. Did we get it right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4198.0,4205.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/739","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yes we did. Actually, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4205.0,4207.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/740","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwhen Dr. Frieden came at the end of August, I think he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4207.0,4213.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"visited all three countries very quickly. 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Why are they doing apparently","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4727.0,4733.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/828","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"well, and what's the difference? There was no magic answer. There's no magic","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4733.0,4739.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/829","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bullet. How do we address Ebola? 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You safely bury the dead,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4742.0,4746.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/831","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and then contact tracing--which is following the contacts of cases or people who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4746.0,4751.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/832","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have died--is just to keep them under observation, so that you can very quickly","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4751.0,4757.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/833","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"isolate somebody again if they get sick. 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When we have data now, you talked to my colleague Kim","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4763.0,4769.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/835","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Kimberly A.] Lindblade earlier, she's written some analyses on this that we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4769.0,4774.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/836","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"have very good data that the quicker you isolate people, the less secondary","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4774.0,4779.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/837","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"transmission, the smaller the clusters and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4779.0,4782.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/838","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I went to Freetown, it seemed to me that my impression was that there was a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4782.0,4789.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/839","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lot of discussion going on about we haven't got enough Ebola treatment units.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4789.0,4794.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/840","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"They were furiously building capacity and so on and the focus was on that rather","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4794.0,4800.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/841","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than, that's fine, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4800.0,4801.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/842","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nbut isolate people immediately and you do it with what you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=4801.0,4806.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/843","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got. 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Just a most unusual story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5307.0,5311.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/932","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Q: You mentioned you went on a fourth deployment to Guinea recently?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5311.0,5318.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/933","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DE COCK: I was asked to go to Guinea in April. 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If you go back to 2014, so I was there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5448.0,5455.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/960","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"July/August. 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Kim Lindblade is outstanding in the field.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5472.0,5477.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/965","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Q: Continuing with Frank just a second, so did you overlap a little bit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5477.0,5483.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/966","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DE COCK: Yeah, a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5483.0,5486.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/967","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Q: So was that kind of a time when you could share impressions and kind of get","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5486.0,5493.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/968","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an update on what was going on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5493.0,5496.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/969","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DE COCK: Yeah. One thing that impresses me about CDC is when CDC works well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5496.0,5503.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/970","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people are very collaborative and collegial and I might be senior to you today","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5503.0,5509.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/971","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and tomorrow you might be senior to me and that's just the way it goes and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=5509.0,5516.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/972","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people move around and so on. 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All of them. Barry [S.] Fields was our lab person, very good","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6075.0,6082.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1075","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lab person, he's now here. Not a hemorrhagic fever person, but he deployed. They","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6082.0,6088.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1076","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"set up a lab. 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What was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6150.0,6156.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1089","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that like communicating between so many different parties?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6156.0,6160.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1090","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DE COCK: And it changed over time of course, because initially it was small.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6160.0,6166.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1091","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What made me smile was that from the beginning, the tendency to always grow was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6166.0,6173.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1092","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"impossible to overcome, so what eventually was called the incident management","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6173.0,6178.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1093","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"system, which instead of meeting daily by November/December was meeting three","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6178.0,6183.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1094","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"times a week or so. 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And health diplomacy, this is what it's about. It's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6200.0,6207.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1098","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"getting people to trust you. 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You leave after a month, somebody else comes along. Obviously,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6247.0,6253.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people are different and they have different ideas. I'm amazed that it went as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6253.0,6260.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"well as it did actually, despite that. 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It's been a total privilege sitting in front of you and hearing, so thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6540.0,6548.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DE COCK: Good to meet you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6548.0,6551.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156/transcript/69614/annotation/1154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"END ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2848/collection_resources/134036/file/249156#t=6551.0,6552.0"}]}]}]}