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Today's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=1.0,6.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"date is November 2, 2015, and we are in Atlanta, Georgia, at the Centers for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=6.0,11.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Disease Control and Prevention [CDC]. 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We are here to discuss your experience during the early years of CDC's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=19.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"work on what would become known as AIDS[acquired immune deficiency syndrome]. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=24.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"must ask, Martha, do I have your permission to interview you and to record the interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=28.0,33.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ROGERS: Yes, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=33.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MILLER: For this oral history on the early years of AIDS at CDC, we'll be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=34.0,39.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"focusing on the first several years, beginning June 1981 with the publication of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=39.0,43.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the first MMWR [Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report] on five cases of PCP","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=43.0,47.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia] among homosexual men. 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I'd like to move on to discuss your work on AIDS and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=1298.0,1304.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"children. I think you were one of the first pediatricians at CDC working on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=1304.0,1310.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AIDS. 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How has that affected you personally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=3846.0,3850.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ROGERS: I see it as just an amazing opportunity. 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Are you still working on AIDS?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=3893.0,3899.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/709","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ROGERS: Not directly. What I'm doing now is working more globally. I don't do ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=3899.0,3906.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/710","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nanything with domestic AIDS anymore. 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When I was first asked to do this, it seemed to me that I'm back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=3982.0,3990.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to the beginning again. I'm setting up a surveillance system, but this time it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082#t=3990.0,3996.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133959/file/249082/transcript/69551/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for healthcare workers, not cases of a disease. 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