{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/cv4bn9zv3m/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Jeffery, Geoffrey M."]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/289/original/CDCM_Mark_2.1.png?1728486742","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["David J. Sencer CDC Museum"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2011-09-27"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["Entomologist Dr. Geoff Jeffery tells about his involvement in laboratory and anti-malarial work with NIH, MCWA, TVA, and in the newly formed Communicable Disease Center. Interviewed by Karen Torghele and Mary Hilpertshauser"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["oral history"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Entomologist Dr. Geoff Jeffery tells about his involvement in laboratory and anti-malarial work with NIH, MCWA, TVA, and in the newly formed Communicable Disease Center. Interviewed by Karen Torghele and Mary Hilpertshauser"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["David J. Sencer CDC Museum"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["David J. Sencer CDC Museum"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/289/original/CDCM_Mark_2.1.png?1728486742","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/247/449/small/Jeffery_Geoffrey_M.jpg?1727919413","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 20110927_Jeffferey_Geoffrey_M.mp3"]},"duration":4588.25675,"width":640,"height":40,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/247/449/small/Jeffery_Geoffrey_M.jpg?1727919413","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-globalhealthchronicles.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/247/449/original/20110927_Jeffferey_Geoffrey_M.mp3?1722773479","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":4588.25675,"width":640,"height":40},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["[AssemblyAI Transcript] 20110927 Jeffferey, Geoffrey M. [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Friend of his. But when they were, when he was in Washington and Martin Young was in South Carolina, they were very good friends, but working together, they didn't do well. So Martin had gone over to intramural programs, and he didn't have an assistant. So the chief of the group, when he wants to say, to ask him if it was all right if he wanted, went on, he says, not until you get somebody to take the place of your assistant. Somebody's got to run the shop. And so he called me up and said, you got ten days. You're going to move from Columbia, South Carolina, to Bethesda, Maryland. Of course, that was in March, and I had four children in school and a house to sell. You can imagine the attitude of my wife about Bob Kov from then on. That's side issues. Several years ago, somebody came here to interview me, and I have that whole interview, and it may not be of any use to you at all. Wow. But I got another copy. I don't know the interview would have any problems with that or not. I don't see any reason why it's me that is interviewed, but this is my whole life. It starts out where I was born, but it does go through the periods where I was just out of Johns Hopkins and took a job in Wilson Dam, Alabama, with the TVA, pending my acceptance as a commissioned officer in the public health service, which generally takes two or three months. But by September, they had gone through, and I was commissioned in the public health service, and I stayed there until 1945. I was transferred to Atlanta just at the end of McWas existence, and Marion Brooke had been transferred from Memphis, not transferred, but commissioned from Memphis, where he was teaching, to come over there and take charge of the. The laboratory and training program was May and Harry, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=0.24,189.46"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e May, Melvin, and he craft.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=189.46,191.324"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they were all there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=191.324,192.308"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e They all got together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=192.308,193.236"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I was there, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=193.236,194.956"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you part of that first training group?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=194.956,197.58"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I arrived about October 1945 on Marion Brooks Way from Memphis to Atlanta. He and his wife and kids stopped overnight with us in Wilson dam, Alabama, where I was staying. Just, I'd known him for three years at Hopkins, and Jane was good friends with his wife, and he asked me on the way through, said, would you like to come? And we need some more people in the training division. Would you like to come? I said yes, because I was getting kind of tired of getting up at 04:00 a.m. every morning, going out and watching an airplane throw DDT on me. But anyhow, so as soon as he got there, he arranged that was early in the summer, I think, of 45. And in the meantime, the war was coming to an end. And in that summer, at 45 was the j day, I think the final end of it. So I got to MCWA just after the war ended and was in the training division, laboratory division, until the following summer. Paul Weinstein was there. And Paul, I had that reputation of being the replacement person. Paul Weinstein was going back to Hopkins to get his degree. He didn't have his doctorate, and he wanted to get the same degree that I got from Hopkins, not because I got it, but he thought it was a good place to go. And so they were looking for something, somebody to take his place. He was running a small laboratory down in San Juan, Puerto Rico. And so I didn't exactly volunteer. Maybe they were trying to get rid of me, I don't know. They asked me if I would be willing to take that. I said yes. And we were transferred to Johns Hopkins to shoot, not to San Juan. And I ran that laboratory for a year, and it was a good experience. My wife thought she died and gone to heaven. We had two little kids and not too much money. We had just gotten through starving for three years through school, and it was like a vacation, whole year holiday. And personnel from the Navy and army were still in San Juan. They hadn't gotten sent home yet. So with one big party in the meantime, I had quite a lot of work to do, but we enjoyed it very much. Can you imagine going from having two little kids in a two room apartment to a nice big house with a live in May and beaches? That's the difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=197.58,403.53"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. In the beach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=403.53,406.77"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e At least three officers clubs I know that we could get to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=406.77,410.97"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I wasn't born yet. I came a lot later. Yes, I was the second batch of children.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=410.97,417.528"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=417.528,418.84"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they had two and two sort of two little letters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=418.84,423.44"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you a twin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=423.44,424.568"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well, my sister's 13 months younger than I am, and then my brother's 13 months younger than my older sister.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=424.568,431.528"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=431.528,431.808"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e And there's five years between the two of us. I was like two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=431.808,436.24"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, you're right. Two letters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=436.24,438.04"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, very. Understood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=438.04,439.92"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=439.92,442.04"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you a CDC or no, Emory, Emory, Emory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=442.04,445.44"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a combination. It's a project that is funded by the Global Health institute through a grant through Robert Wood. We're not going to tell where it came from. And Amory runs the website, and we at CDC funnel information to the website since it's easier to get the information out this way than the other way. So where's the first steps. It's history and it's wonderful. And I noticed on this interview that you knew down aisles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=445.44,482.546"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, very well. And Mary. And Mary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=482.546,485.794"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I knew Mary. I didn't get to meet Mary until about ten years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=485.794,490.482"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, this is my first episode of replacing somebody. Not my second episode. I was. I went out of the public health service. I went on inactive duty for a year right after Puerto Rico. I guess I was tired anyhow. My father had been quite ill and my, my mother was all upset because I was way down there out of the country, and I thought, well, maybe I'll try teaching for a year. There was a new university being formed to take care of all the GI Bill returnees. So I got a job teaching at the University of Bridgeport, Connecticut, for a year. And I sort of intended to stay longer, but I went to a meeting out in Chicago where I met all of my old cronies from my malaria days. And this is when, let me see, Don Iles was leaving Milliesville, where he had the laboratory he was working with and was sent to Malaysia. So who did they get to take his place? Me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=490.482,579.878"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e You.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=579.878,581.35"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e But I was really pleased, too. And that's where you were born, in Milledgeville.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=581.35,586.918"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e You were born in Milledgeville?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=586.918,588.334"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And her sister also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=588.334,591.87"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e We didn't live there very long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=591.87,594.36"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Three or four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=594.36,595.056"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e When we lived. I was about four.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=595.056,596.784"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we were transferred to Columbia, South Carolina. Right. I didn't take Martin Young's place, but eventually. Eventually I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=596.784,611.16"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e You look so familiar. I know, I know. You look familiar to me, too. I'm trying to decide from where.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=611.16,616.016"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e What year were you in at Emory?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=616.016,617.92"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e I graduated in 70. She's probably a lot older than you are. No, it was about this. You're my same age. Really? Did you go to Emory? No. That's interesting. Maybe just from the new. You had children that played soccer or baseball or football or. Yeah, cheerleading. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=617.92,638.508"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e A little of each.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=638.508,639.332"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes. Where did your kids go? Yeah, my kids all went to Lakeside. Yeah. Okay. What's your name? Karen. And my children's last name is Anderson, and my husband. Okay, so Blake Anderson and Grant Anderson. Grant. I taught Grant. Do you go to Oak Grove Methodist? We did. Did you when he was little? Uh huh. I think Grant was in my son John's. John Houghton's grade. That's where I know you back. That's it. Yeah, I taught Sunday school a couple of years, or one year maybe, when John was in the. Maybe fifth grade. And would you, would you have been there when Grant was about fifth grade. Yeah. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=639.332,681.48"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. That's a small work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=681.48,684.024"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e It's very small. I run into people all the time that I've seen somewhere years ago, and it's just crazy. Yeah. Is it hot in here or is it me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=684.024,691.584"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e It does seem hot. Yeah. Let's turn the fan on. No, the other one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=691.584,697.18"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm burning up. But I gotta go anyway, so I gotta let my dogs out, maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=697.18,701.628"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e They eat so hard there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=701.628,703.276"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it cool enough? Yeah. Well, I'll knock it down a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=703.276,710.38"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. I never know when they're gonna. They have a stupid system here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=710.38,717.124"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e That's exactly where I know you from. And you look like Grant. Oh. So what's he doing now? He is doing a residency in pediatrics and internal medicine. Where? That's nice. In Mobile. Where? Mobile. Oh, mobile. Yeah, mobile. Mobile. I don't know what it is. That's very interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=717.124,742.99"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Her older son is a physician also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=742.99,746.726"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e He's a neurologist, so luckily he's through all the residency and fellowship and all that stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=746.726,752.448"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e He even picked up an MBH at Emory. He did on the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=752.448,756.128"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e He did. He likes to go to school, but he's got. He has a real job now. Oh, good. He specializes in Parkinson's. John is an attorney, so. And I think he probably would remember Grant. I mean, I'm sure he would, because they went to Lakeside together. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure he would. Oh, yeah. Did you run cross country? He did. Did John. So did. He did. So did Grant cross country and played soccer. So. And Grant was baseball and cross country and Blake was football. Okay. Yeah. Is he older than Grant or younger? Blake is younger. Younger. Okay. What year would he be? He was four years younger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=756.128,793.986"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=793.986,794.314"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder if he knows my Sarah. Sarah's our baby. She went to Lakeside and she's almost five years younger than John. Yeah, he probably did. Yeah. But they all went to Oak Grove and then onto Lakeside. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=794.314,805.62"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And then we have a daughter who's done everybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=805.62,808.412"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh. So they might be. That might be the age of mine. We have four, so usually I can usually find somebody who's got a kid close to my kids age. That's interesting. So we have. She's an attorney. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=808.412,822.468"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Mine are still in school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=822.468,823.524"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry, I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=823.524,825.348"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=825.348,826.578"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e It's nice to have them out. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=826.578,829.034"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I got ways to go. My youngest is in fourth grade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=829.034,832.634"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=832.634,833.546"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No ways to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=833.546,835.61"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well, I don't want to keep. Hold you up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=835.61,838.89"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e There's a couple of things there. There's two. Oh, yeah. Take those along. I got a lot more stuff that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=838.89,846.674"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e I get to with you asking you if it's okay if we recorded this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=846.674,851.748"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Sure, it's fine with me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=851.748,853.108"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Great. And we've already had some interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=853.108,854.996"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll try to keep my language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=854.996,857.7"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, you have to watch your language now. But just to establish where we are, we're with Doctor Jeff Jeffries and we are in Decatur, Georgia. It's now September 20, 2011, and we got here at about 02:00. So I'm here with Mary Hilbertshauser and this is Karen Torgaili. We talked to you about doing this interview because it was a dream of doctor sensors to establish the genesis of CDC and to keep all the documents that have been sitting around and sort of disintegrating and preserving those that are important and also the stories to sort of get that part of the CDC history that we might not have. So everyone mentioned your name when we talk about that time period. And we were excited to know that you were so close and could tell us about your time there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=857.7,918.998"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, actually, my time with MCWA and CDC combined at that particular time was not very long. I was. I went to Wilson Dan, who then appointed me there before my commission came through. And I was there until. From 1944 of the spring of 1944 until now. Yeah. 44 until I left the CDC in 19, 98. 47, is that right? Yes. I went on inactive duty in 1947 and left San Juan, Puerto Rico, which was my appointment with CDC for just about a year. And then when I came back a year later into the public health service, I was with an NIH group at the time, but I was assigned over in Milledgeville, Georgia. So my contacts with CDC were very often and pretty close. As a matter of fact, we had patients with malaria over there. And May Melvin used to come over about every six months and make about 1000 blood films from some of our patients to send out on and to use for training purposes that CDC was operating at the time. And in fact, I think they had me come over a time or two and lecture to the groups about the particular things we were doing with, with malaria at the mental hospital, which comes as a rather surprise to most people that they're giving people malaria to cure their neurosyphilis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=918.998,1051.46"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that was sort of in the film that we saw.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1051.46,1055.828"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1055.828,1056.94"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Would she have been filmed doing that? There was a woman who would prick people's fingers and then get, make the slides and then look at them. And she had a whole procedure with mosquitoes in jars that she would attach to their nightstand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1056.94,1072.486"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Our staff when I was in Milledgeville, we had a pretty good sized laboratory and a very large insectary. We raised all our own mosquitoes, and I had about five or six technicians who did nothing but take blood films and read them every day and inoculate patients and feed mosquitoes on the patients in order to get sporozois. We preferred transmitting malaria from patient to patient using sporozois, because it bypassed any possible contaminants that might be in the blood, which would not be desirable, although all the patients were under medical care by the hospital staff, and we never used anybody who was not pretty free of any infectious diseases. Well, that's. My contacts with CDC were very frequently. One of my best friends through school, and had been for years, was Allen Donaldson. Now, Alan, when he got out of the army, I was living in. We were living in Milledgeville. It was that year that we were here. We were living in Marietta, because it was the year that I came over to work with Marian Brooke in the training and that period. And Alan didn't have any idea what he was going to do. He had just been discharged from the army. He saw his little girl for the first time in three years, and I said, helen, why don't you go down and talk to somebody down at the headquarters and see if there's anything available? And he did, and there was. So he got a commission in the public health service, and of course, he could use all of his military record to add to his longevity and that sort of thing, his income. He had all the uniforms. We were in an army uniform at that time. And he was with the sanitary corps in the US army over in New guinea and the Philippines, in that area into Japan. And that was the beginning of a great career for Alan. He advanced very rapidly. I think he was a very good friend of Dave Santzers, and I knew Dave very well, too. So he was there until shortly after I was transferred to Bethesda. And he was. He was transferred up there after about a year. It was almost the same time. And he was in one of the bureau as bureau chief or sub chief or whatever it was. Anyhow, he got a star. So he was no longer just an eagle, which he said was his major reason in going. He didn't want to leave CDC that much, but he said the retirement benefits with that for his wife would be so much better that he thought he just couldn't turn it down. But he was a wonderful person. They were good friends of ours for years. He used to dandle my first daughter on his knee up in Baltimore, loved little children. I thought it was awful he missed the first three years of his little girl's life. Well, that's neither here nor there. You're going to have to censor this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1072.486,1345.2"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e We'll give you a chance to look at it, too, and, you know, we'll have a transcribed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1345.2,1350.008"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1350.008,1351.4"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e But I wanted to know, just to backtrack a little bit, tell us a little bit about your training and how you ended up getting involved with NCWA in the first place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1351.4,1362.68"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, at Hopkins, I was in for the three years there. The first year, I wasn't able to get any kind of an assistantship or anything like that. But the second year, the war was underway, and they had special training classes for Army Navy personnel, teaching them what tropical diseases they're going to run into in the South Pacific, in that area. And at the end of my, I got an assistantship for my second year, which not only gave me a healthy sum of $500 a month, but free tuition. That was the big deal. And that second summer, I stayed on in hot Baltimore and helped teach a course to the military personnel that were being trained to over the south and southwest Pacific. And so I got a lot of experience in all tropical diseases, as well as just malaria. My senior professor, Doctor Lloyd Roseboom, was a very good. He had worked at the Tennessee Valley Authority summer times for several years, and a very good friend of Archie Hess, who was in charge of the unit out there at that time, but he was working for Tennessee Valley authority. He, later on, he used to make fun of my being in the public health service. I never let him forget that he finally got a commission in the public health service himself anyhow. So when I went down there after my graduation, it was with the idea that I would work for Archie as a technician for the summer until my commission came through, and it came through September sometime. They take their time about those things, and that was a step forward. I was very pleased to be with MCWA, because all of a sudden I was making $3,400 a year plus housing and all this sort of thing with two kids. That was a relief. There's always something financial in your career, isn't it? But I worked with very good people at the TVA during my assignment there. I was in MCWA, of course, and a lot of them came through there frequently to look at the operations. We were working on the perfection of DDT as an insecticide, both for spraying houses and for distributing over swamps and that sort of thing. And it was a brand new thing to do. We were looking what doses to use and what it should be suspended in to spray with and all the technical things that go along with it up to and including dispersal by air over woodlands and swamps and that sort of thing. So that's where I get into the malaria business, pretty much. But it was all pretty technical. That had very little to do with the parasite. I didn't forget that there was one. Then transferring back to Atlanta to work with Marion Brook and Paul Einstein and Mae Melvin and all the others. I can't remember the names of all of them. Senior officers. I can't remember all their names. Seward Miller was one. He was in charge of that particular group, I think, and there were several of us. And of course I didn't. I knew a lot of the ones who were in the headquarters building. George Bradley was the chief entomologist in that area and a very nice person. Roy Fritz was his able assistant. And, well, it was in regard to the changeover from CDC, from MCWA to CDC during that year that I was in Atlanta working that. Well, we. Our offices were in the old Baptist building. I don't know if you knew that or not. Well, okay, the first floor was the Baptist bookstore, and the second floor was all of our laboratories, storerooms. And I think we went on up maybe to another floor, but I'm not sure all of that. Everything I did was on the second floor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1362.68,1706.73"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e This was on Peachtree Street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1706.73,1709.37"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Peachtree and Baker. On the corner of Peachtree and Baker. I kid, my son in law, he was pretty high up in the Suntrust bank. And the new building they built was on the corner of peace. Jane Baker. So I used to tell him, I used to work in the same place. It was our little two story brick building, that monstrous thing they got there. Now, anyhow, during that year it became very apparent. I guess none of us at that level knew what was going on as far as changing over to some permanent organization like CDC. Although in reading the history of it, and that book gives a very good history of the changeover. And yet that one, yeah, we began to have all kinds of equipment deliver. The war was over. Malaria control in war areas that w in there doesn't exactly fit when you're running an organization. But obviously they had been making plans all along, going into a new field. And I think maybe it already decided what the name was going to be. Disease Center, CDC. But anyhow, we were getting new microscopes by the dozens and all kinds of training equipment, projectors and all sorts of things that where are they getting this money? Well, actually, the money was already appropriate. The fiscal year was July 1, you know, and so our budget started in July 1 to run to June 30 the next year. And all this money was there available because they had no idea July 1 whether the war was going to end or were going to be in it for another ten years for all they knew. But anyhow, it became very apparent that something was afoot. But none of us really, I guess we didnt really care. But. So I think that then, like I say, there's a good description of that period in this book of the public health service, and I don't know if there's anything else. A lot of people came back through CDC, I think. Was it Pratt? Was Harry Pratt? He was in just leaving Puerto Rico while I was down there, and was transferred back to Atlanta, I think, to participate in, and the training programs and that sort of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1709.37,1921.75"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Didn't Justin Andrews come back then, too?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1921.75,1924.558"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, he did. And actually, I can't think of his name now. I looked it up when I went to Puerto Rico. The district director in Puerto Rico, I can't think of his name. He took over after, after the first director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1924.558,1946.416"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Williams or Hollis Hollis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1946.416,1950.12"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I could look up his name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1950.12,1956.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, there's, it started with Williams was the MCWA director for a while. Hollis Mark Hollis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1956.0,1962.744"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Mark Hollis, yeah, he was in my era. Von Delir. That's the one I'm trying to think of. Von Deliri, Washington, district director for BHS down in San Juan, Puerto Rico, for the whole district, Virgin Islands and all the other us areas. And he was brought back in January as the new director of CDC. So that kind of surprised me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1962.744,1999.12"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Was there a doctor Hinman in Puerto Rico when you were there, or had been there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=1999.12,2005.44"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Which Hinman?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2005.44,2006.32"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Hinman. Well, Alan Hinman was his son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2006.32,2008.888"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2008.888,2009.432"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e And his father was in the public health service before him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2009.432,2013.112"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I knew him very well. I didn't know Alan Hinman. And he's too. Yeah, but this vandelier was. He was a very nice person when we went to Puerto Rico. I don't, I shouldn't be talking about these personal things. Maybe you don't want to hear him. Actually, Porter Stevens was in charge of the, of the MCWA group down there. He was an engineer, sort of a harassable old character. Anyhow, when I was going to go down there, I inquired if it's all right to bring my family, can I find room? And he wrote back and said, no, I don't think that's a good idea. Just wait until you get a place to live, and then you can have your family come down. Well, I talked to several people, and they say, don't do. You'll never get a place to live. They just lose interest if you don't bring your family. And they're standing around waiting. So I took them with me. I never saw a more surprised looking guy. Met me at the plane coming in. I got off, my two little kids following down, but he kind of dragged his feet about getting me place to live. And I had to go to my first conference with the district director. Everybody who came in as a commissioned officer had to do that. He wanted to know everybody there. He was a very nice person. He was interested in everybody. And I went at my conference with him, and he said, where are you staying? I said, well, we're still. This was about four weeks after we got there. I said, we're still in a hotel. He said, what? He said, what do you mean you're in a hotel? Porter Stevens is trying to find us a place. He got on the phone, called Porter Stevens, who was just in the house, and he says, come in here right now. I want to see you. He came in and what's his name said, porter, get these people a place to live within a week. And he did. He was holding out a place for one of his friends and who already had a place to live, but they couldn't leave for a month or so. And so he's going to make me wait for a month. Anyhow, we got a very nice place to live, three bedroom. It was. It was naval housing. It wasn't free. We had to pay $35 a month, I think, something like that. Really terrible. But it was out of San Patricio, and it was a very nice. It was a lot of Navy personnel. In fact, we used the Navy bxs, commissaries and officers clubs and all sorts of things because it was closer to us than the army. But anyhow, Fondler was. I think he was. And then I think after him was Justin Andrews. Come after that. Yeah. Yeah. I'd known Justin Andrews for a long time because he was also a graduate of Hopkins. And in fact, he was on the faculty there for a while, but not while I was there. But he came back through and visited quite often. So we got to know him as an alumbus. And then later on, he became director of the institute that I was working under in NIH. So I worked for him again. Well, I digress too much. I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2013.112,2259.682"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e No, the stories are especially what we want because we have a lot of facts, but we want to humanize it. And you're doing that by telling your stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2259.682,2272.17"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, but my, like I say, I was with the NIH until 1969. And once I moved to Bethesda, well, I actually, while I was in Bethesda, we had people transferred over to Chambly and the CDC gave us space over there for offices and laboratories and insectaries because we were working at the federal penitentiary with volunteers and we had to have a place to have the technological things under control. And so I got down quite frequently about that time my daughter was going to Emory, so I took her to dinner. But anyhow, it was, I never got very far away from CDC and Bob Kaiser and Dave sensor proposed this thing in El Salvador. I was retiring from the public health service at the time. I had already put in for my retirement, retirement as of 31 August. And I had been in touch with Bob Kaiser quite a lot over the years. In fact, Alan Donaldson took a bunch of us down to El Salvador and Central America to review all of the malaria control programs there. He selected me to go along and Bob Kaiser was along and a couple of guys from Savannah, I think, entomologists. So I got to know them very well and they wanted a new director at the place down in El Salvador. So they offered me the position since I was retiring. So I retired from NIH on the 31st and started my operations with CDC on the first. Of course, at the beginning it was complicated because the position was paid for by state department. My names escape me. The name of the place? The group at the state Department? Well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2272.17,2446.63"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e The Health and Human Services.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2446.63,2448.062"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e No, its. The group that goes all over the world and has malaria control interests. It doesn't matter. I'll think of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2448.062,2461.704"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e And so what year was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2461.704,2463.72"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That was 1969. We were delayed and I didn't get down to El Salvador until late November in that year because there was another war going on down there and they didn't want me to go down and I insisted on driving down. I didn't want to be without a car. So we, we drove down through. I thought we'd never get through Texas. And then Mexico was worse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2463.72,2495.72"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it USAID?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2495.72,2497.584"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, yes, UsAid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2497.584,2499.176"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe Paho too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2499.176,2500.84"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I worked with Paho people a lot. Yes, they were always, there was, every time we had a conference there was somebody. We were represented. Then USAID and then Paho. Then there was another one, the. It's children's. UNESCO.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2500.84,2522.704"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2522.704,2523.216"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it UNESCO?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2523.216,2524.056"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, UNICEF and then UNESCO.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2524.056,2526.088"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, UNICEF. Yeah, they all. Everybody all got together. We never got anything done. No, they were nice people and that was their job, to have conferences. But we enjoyed El Salvador and felt like it was a very useful project down there. And I think we did pretty well. USAID sort of abandoned us after the first few years. And Dave sensor is a very strong individual. He says, hell, to heck with them. Well, we'll pay for it ourselves. So we put it into the CDC budget and the last few years they changed it to more. It was started out just malaria and they got into all the droplet disease areas, had a place to have people get experience in them, so it was probably worthwhile. And so then when I got back to CDC, I was in Bob Kaiser's, what do they call it. Then there was all kinds of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2526.088,2612.01"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Vector control.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2612.01,2613.434"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it was laboratory. I'm sorry. Anyhow, I think my contribution was probably going to meetings. I don't think Bob Kaiser was crazy about meetings, but anyhow, and also we. Well, I did quite a lot of technical stuff and getting. I got a lot of consulting at that time with Paho and who, things they needed people to go to. So they picked me. I didn't mind. I got into the who group to the point where even after I left CDC I was still about five or six years consulting with who and a lot of their malaria eradication programs, that sort of thing. They called on me to spend a couple of weeks in the wilds of upper Volta. It's not upper Volta anymore, though. Burkina, Fasa, okay. And another couple of weeks in Liberia. Then when I came home I was out for two months with hepatitis, a month in the hospital and my chief was Bob Coatney. He said he was going to court martial me. I forgot to take my shots before I went over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2613.434,2743.07"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you ever get malaria? Did you ever get.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2743.07,2746.11"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I never got malaria. A lot of my colleagues did it. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2746.11,2759.39"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e I was wondering when CDC was. When there was the transition between NCWA and CDC when the war had ended and CDC. The decision was made to locate CDC in Atlanta. I wonder what your reaction was to that and how most people felt about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2759.39,2786.32"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Gosh, I don't remember any very strong reaction that I had. I guess I sort of assumed that. So where it would be, I don't know. I think there was probably some barrier between NIH and CDC because I think NIH was fairly jealous of their prerogatives and had a right to be there a long time. But they were not supposed to be involved so much in field operations and I think CDC had sort of grown up with it being a field operating organization. They went out to all the states and wherever they were needed, they were going. And NIH had some of those things. They were field operations. In fact, I was involved in this. I was down in Milliesville, a long way from Bethesda. And we had other places. One in Memphis and one in Columbia, South Carolina, of course, another one like us. But I guess I was low enough on the totem pole. But nobody asked me what I thought about it. But. So I didn't really know. And they banned me to Puerto Rico. For the first year of CDC, I was out of it entirely. All I got was a bunch of visitors who came down to Puerto Rico that I had to show around. I met some very nice people because they were sending people down there to look at things. But no, I think that the only contacts I ever had I got together with Alan Donaldson quite often. I would be up here, I'd see him and we'd chat about things. But he never had too many things to say about. I think he was dedicated to the job of getting it in up and working order. He was always a very good employee, I imagine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2786.32,2946.22"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember how the land was acquired to build the CDC building?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2946.22,2951.95"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it cost me $10, didn't it? Something like that, yeah. They were getting a bit crowded now, aren't they? The buildings? Yeah. Oh, I was on the 6th floor of building one, I guess they call it up in the corner. When I was there for. That's it. I was brought back and that was where I was going to be, I thought. And so we bought our house. Actually, the house we bought is just the first house upstreet here. We lived in it for 30 years. But I thought, well, that's nice and close to CDC and I don't have anything to worry about. Two years later, they moved me out to Chambly. That was all right. Actually, it wasn't bad because, you know, in the morning I'm going the other way. Traffic is all coming in and at night it's all going out. So it wasn't bad commuting somewhere in the concert huts. Well, they actually, when I went out there, they had moved three buildings up from Savannah. At least I think it was three buildings. They were buildings. They were more or less portable. They took them all down and moved them all up here. And we were in one of them and the other one was where a lot of the malaria work was being done. But we also had the old barracks type buildings to contend with. When I first went to Milledgeville, I came over and May Melvin had been moved out of. To the army base, the army hospital. Can't think of the name of that now either. But everybody. No, it was just.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=2951.95,3066.21"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e The one near the. Near the airport.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3066.21,3072.306"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, right there. Right there at the airport.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3072.306,3075.05"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e What was that called?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3075.05,3077.36"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I should know. Anyhow, it was one of the major military hospitals in the Atlanta area, and I guess almost all of the original buildings were there when the CDC first took it over. And when we moved our people from Columbia, South Atlanta over there, they were given a building, one of those old buildings, several of them, one to use for an insectary, one for an animal room, and another for people, something like that. They were pretty bad. They always used to tell me that the only thing that held them up was cockroaches in the wall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3077.36,3128.06"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you ever go over to the Savannah Carter library? What was it called? The Henry Rose Carter lab in Savannah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3128.06,3137.084"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was sort of Persona non grata down there, because the decision wasn't made by me, was made by Bob Kaiser and Dave Santzer and whoever else makes those decisions. That that unit down there had seen its time and it was ready to close. They were doing things that were not part of the aim of the CDC. They were almost all technical work and insecticides and that sort of thing, and they felt they could just, well, do that up here in Chambliss. They moved most of the chemists into the building where I was in, out at Chambly, and they were in my group there. And everybody down in Savannah thought that it was my fault that they got moved up here. They weren't very friendly. Well, they've been there for years, and it was really a wrench to drag them out of there. It happens to all of us every once in a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3137.084,3224.91"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you work very closely with Emory people when you were at CDC in those early years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3224.91,3230.84"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I think so, actually, working with Marian Brooke, who was an Emory graduate and a great Emory advocate. I met a lot of people from Emory, and they had some sort of a. At some church, they had a clinic of some kind or treating parasitic diseases and that sort of thing. Marion was very active in that, and I went along with him a few times. And one excursion we took was down to Baker county, where Emory had one of their early. Yes, well, it was on. It was on the farm of one of the. What's the name of the people that. Woodruff. Yeah, okay. Woodruff we had. And they did an experiment down there with spraying malaria in one area and not spraying it in another and then going back and seeing if there's a. Any difference. And there wasn't a terrible disappointment. The same thing happened when I was in El Salvador. Not El Salvador, in Puerto Rico. They had picked two villages and they had sprayed one for mosquitoes and left the other. And then I was the one that had to go back and see what happened. Nothing happened. They were exactly the same. I never could understand it. DDT and there was no change? No, there wasn't any change. People, actually, DDT was perfect. If you got it sprayed into a house and you stayed in the house. People are ornery. It gets hot in that house. We had a similar situation in El Salvador when I was there. They built these big cotton plantations. They grew cane and everything else. They had a whole lot of people who lived right on them property. And they built this beautiful brick living quarters for them. And these living quarters were. They were elevated, and they had a place underneath where they keep their livestock or whatever. And upstairs it was all screened and everything else for them. And they found out very soon it was too hot up there. So people took their beds and moved down underneath the house where all the mosquitoes had perfect access to it. Larry didn't disappear, but that's just people got to deal with human beings, and they're not easy. I wonder sometimes about the bed net thing that I've only slept under a bed net a few times. It gets hot under the thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3230.84,3448.01"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you have much to do with yellow fever?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3448.01,3450.962"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well, I took the shots for it every. In those days, we had to have them every year, I guess. And, no, I never got into the. There were some areas where we worked. Dengue was a problem, but it didn't fall on our shoulders very much, but we recognized it. And the unit in El Salvador was more than just malaria. During the last few years I was there, we looked at a lot of. We got quite a few physicians in who were interested in enteric bacterial diseases, this sort of thing. They did quite a lot toward that down there. We built a clinic finally. Well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3450.962,3517.32"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e See, are there any characters or. I guess what I would like to hear from you is if there are people who stood out in your mind as being very influential or very. That really made a difference in your mind to the direction things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3517.32,3540.25"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, the only situation that arose when I was in El Salvador and during a period when the malaria eradication programs were becoming less popular because they just didn't seem to be working, mosquitoes were getting resistant to the insecticides and parasites were getting resistance to the drugs. The whole thing looked like it was going down the tube. But particularly in regard to the Paho people, this hemisphere's group of experts, they were not going to give up to change, just keep at it, you know, and it just wasn't working. That's why we were sent to El Salvador in the first place, to find out why. And were there any ways that it could be made to work? Well, doctor Soper was the. He was the one who held the greatest respect for all the people in this hemisphere, South American in particular, South America and the Caribbean in that area, not so much in this country. But we didn't have the malaria. But he was adamant about this. And we, I guess most of us who were giving papers and making remarks and expressing our opinions, they didn't agree with his at all. And several times I can recall all of us being called in and doctor Soper gave us a lecture. Not that it didn't be good. He was telling us what we were going to have to do. Not going to do this, not going to do that. We say, yes, Doctor Soper, and then we go ahead and do it. But anyhow, he was an old timer and he had done wonders with the yellow fever thing in Brazil and eradicating nafelees, Gambia in Brazil, which he had been. He was a field worker and a hard worker, but so were all the people from Rockefeller for years who they called them mud hen malariologists. They get out and tramp around in the mud looking for mosquitoes and vectors thing. You don't sit back in a laboratory and control malaria. But anyhow, I was fortunate in getting to meet a whole lot of the, I guess, the other pioneers in malaria control. They were wonderful people, Hackett, le Prince and all of them. I could probably, if I think properly these days, I could write down a whole bunch of names of people who really were pioneers in the thing. And they were mud hand mariologists. Sit back in the laboratory, they get out in the field.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3540.25,3777.2"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e What kind of clothing did you wear when you would do those things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3777.2,3783.68"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I been in the army, so I wore cockies, just regular clothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3783.68,3792.832"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Does he have special boots like Wellington's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3792.832,3795.448"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, not necessarily weighed into things. We carried boots with us, sometimes knee boots, sometimes hip boots if we're going in. But when I worked down at Wilson Dam, we'd go into some of the lakes. They just had a massive lotus of plants, you know, and you didn't do anything. You just walked out there with your pants on. It gets soaking wet and we had to go out and look for larvae and measure the mortality and that sort of thing. Every once in a while we see a snake. I put some pieces of paper in that thing indicating where the CDC thing or MCWA thing started. And so I thought you might be interested in seeing those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3795.448,3869.34"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Was there anything you think we left out that you'd like to talk about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3869.34,3876.19"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think so. I'm very much in favor of the public health service, regardless of whether CDC or NIH or whatever. And I think it can be a very valuable asset. It's not always treated very well. The budget people don't feel like it's worthy of support all the time. But anyhow, I thoroughly valued my career in the public health service, and 99 out of 100 people that I ran into were wonderful. There's always one somewhere in the background, and I think that the whole CDC has done very well. I think they perhaps altered their interest levels somewhere down the line from where it started out. It started out to be a service organization with laboratory services and laboratory training and epidemiological services and epidemiological training. And pretty soon it got sort of steered into an epidemiological empire. But some of the higher ups in that empire thought that we were wasting our time looking for mosquitoes in the field and treating them that way, getting rid of them. All we had to do was find out a new vaccine for malaria and the epidemiologists could take care of it just like they did smallpox. No, I'm not being critical, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=3876.19,4016.7"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e It did change. It has changed a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4016.7,4019.244"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e It's changed a lot. And I think a lot of. I guess we were probably crotchety old timers who just didn't want to see our empires diminished. But I've known a lot of people who came through the EIS program who are very, very good. I've known some that were very, very bad. But I'm not going to name names, I promise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4019.244,4050.46"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e That's a good idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4050.46,4051.516"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e But mostly they were good. Their chief was a character on his own, but. So.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4051.516,4064.486"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you talking about Alexander Lang?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4064.486,4067.91"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess so, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4067.91,4070.03"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we heard that he was a character.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4070.03,4074.55"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he was a bright person. He liked to run things. He looked with some disdain about anybody who wasn't an epidemiologist. They couldn't know anything about malaria if you're not an epidemiologist. But I knew a lot of epidemiologists that were very good malariologists, too, and some that came up through that same route. They weren't all lost.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4074.55,4123.669"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, can you think of anything else that you'd like to ask?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4123.669,4130.109"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I. I want to leave with a caveat that we can. If we forget a question, can we call you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4130.109,4135.632"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Certainly. You can come back anytime, too. You can see I don't have an awful lot to keep me busy. Is there anything that I can offer you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4135.632,4145.52"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Photographs that I also have, like you to look at and see if you can identify any people, you know, given these giant photographs, that I look at them and go, there's nothing on the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4145.52,4158.866"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Back I might recognize.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4158.866,4161.89"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I know that there's Marion Brooke in some of them, and then, you know, there might be even pictures of you, only I don't know that was. You look like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4161.89,4170.25"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'd be glad to be a help in any way I can. If there's anything else I can provide. Most of the stuff that I have, I have files. I don't throw anything away, usually. And I have all the stuff that followed me through my career, personnel orders and that sort of thing. My retirement and my. Do you have a cv, a CD?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4170.25,4199.322"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Cv, resume?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4199.322,4204.57"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think I'd have to look for, though. I don't have it, but I'll find it. Yeah, I do have a ce.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4204.57,4217.37"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e You can google you, and you can find lots and lots and lots of articles that you've written, and Bill Collins is in those as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4217.37,4226.266"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Bill Collins. It's a funny story about Bill Collins that he, when he first came to work in Columbia, South Carolina, I was there. Martin Young was the chief of the place, and Bill is just a ball of fire. You just can't keep him down. He's into everything, and he's a very good scientist, but he sometimes goes a little bit overboard. But he hadn't been there very long, and he hadn't published anything very much. And I think Martin Young called him in one day to talk to him about his progress and that sort of thing. And Bill asked him, he said, well, how do advancements, how does promotions go? Should one. And Martin said something, well, you got to have some publications before you can consider that. Bill came out. I talked to him right after that. He wants publications, I'll give him publications. No one in this world has ever published as much as Bill Cox.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4226.266,4309.28"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Over a hundred, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4309.28,4310.664"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, well, he's well into this, I think. Probably closer to 400, you think? Yeah. And his publications are good. Maybe there's nothing wrong with them. And he and I publish together a lot. In fact, he and I are still publishing together. He's always the senior author, because I don't have any money? No. He gets his things published through CDC. I don't have a base, but he puts my name on them. But both Bill and I cherish data, and we don't throw it away lightly. So every bit of data that I collected when I was at Milledgeville, I still had well cataloged and well diagrammed and tables and everything. Everything for probably as many as 300 malaria patients.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4310.664,4378.42"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you still have that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4378.42,4380.012"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't have it. No, Bill has it. When I left, I turned those things over to Bill because he keeps it, too, and he's put it all in the computer. He's had people do this, and we're still using that data for publications.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4380.012,4402.99"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e That's wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4402.99,4404.494"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And they're very good publications. And Bill, he's a pretty good writer, but I'm better. But he's gotten down, so he knows most of it himself. He used to rely on me to correct things and make better statements. But anyhow, he knows so much, and he's a wonderful person to work with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4404.494,4441.66"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e But you sound like an archivist's dream. You save everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4441.66,4446.9"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah. You ought to see my office. It's in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4446.9,4454.5"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, this isn't your office?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4454.5,4456.3"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e No, my office is in there. It's a closet. These apartments have big closets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4456.3,4463.412"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Bill's office is a closet, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4463.412,4466.292"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I got. That thing's pretty well stuffed with things. Then I have two file cabinets at the closet that backs up to it from the bedroom, and then closet on the other side. On my side, I have one, two, three file cabinets. I'm slowly emptying them. I've given Bill almost all the valuable stuff on it, but I still have a lot of junk. One thing I can't do anything with are slides, pictures that I've taken over the years. And I got into the VCR things, too. I got. I have probably every soccer game I've ever went to. I keep trying to give them to the boys. They say, I don't want them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4466.292,4525.87"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e But.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4525.87,4526.27"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e You can't bring yourself to throw water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4526.27,4527.838"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4527.838,4530.87"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e But you'll have to talk to Mary's children's grandparents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4530.87,4535.814"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they'd be grandparents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4535.814,4539.19"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e You'll have to tell them how to grandparent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4539.19,4546.24"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not what I'm looking at. Looking at this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4546.24,4551.888"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e What is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4551.888,4552.84"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e It's an old, old book. It's called larks and the popcorn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4552.84,4556.416"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, that's H. Allen Smith.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4556.416,4560.336"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4560.336,4562.12"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. That's funny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4562.12,4565.28"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eC:\u003c/strong\u003e Excellent. Those are great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4565.28,4568.16"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I haven't seen that goshen since I was at my mom's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4568.16,4572.738"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e House.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4572.738,4572.97"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e We used to read that all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4572.97,4574.922"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That's just a sample of the books that I have. That's another thing I never throw away. Can't get rid of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4574.922,4585.49"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e All these jewels burnt and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449#t=4585.49,4587.99"}]},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132670/file/247449/transcript/68961/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/068/961/original/transcript_1765819647.vtt20251215-2593616-bpwswu.vtt20251215-2593616-bpwswu?1765819647","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/068/961/original/transcript_1765819647.vtt20251215-2593616-bpwswu.vtt20251215-2593616-bpwswu?1765819647"}]}]}]}