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Today","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=7.0,12.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is Tuesday, May 3, 2016. I'm interviewing Dr. Guinan as part of a project to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=12.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"document CDC's early response to the AIDS [acquired immune deficiency syndrome]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=18.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"epidemic. Dr. Guinan, do I have your permission to interview you and to record","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=23.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=29.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=30.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Mary, you've worked in a variety of roles at CDC. 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Ten years later, you were appointed CDC's Associate Director for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=42.0,47.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Science and served in that capacity for four years, from 1986 to 1990. 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However, before we go there, let's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=59.0,63.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talk a little bit about your background. Could you tell us where you grew up and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=63.0,69.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about your early family life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=69.0,71.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: Yes, I am a child of Irish immigrants who met on the ship coming to New","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=71.0,78.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"York City. I grew up in New York City. My father worked in the New York subway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=78.0,85.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My mother was a homemaker. My father died when I was a teenager, and I was the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=85.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"middle of five children. 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When I was growing up as a child, I used to say I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=311.0,318.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wanted to be either a plumber or a doctor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=318.0,321.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: (laughter) Cover all the bases.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=321.0,323.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: Most people would laugh, thinking I wouldn't be either, because it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=323.0,328.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wasn't really a career then for women.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=328.0,331.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: So you've alluded to this a couple of times now in your comments,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=331.0,336.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that when you were pursuing your degrees, your PhD and MD degrees, it was a time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=336.0,342.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when there was a real paucity of women in these fields. 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Your work in India, it was dogged, it was gutsy, it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=635.0,642.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"highly successful, and it was a really good read.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=642.0,646.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=646.0,647.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: I would certainly encourage others that visit the Global Health","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=647.0,652.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chronicles website to have a look at what was clearly a very important and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=652.0,658.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nformative part of your career in public health. 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He wrote on it, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1176.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he sent it back to me and he said, \"Hot stuff.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1184.0,1189.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Now, I understand there was a little bit of internal debate about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1189.0,1195.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how to phrase the title of that June 1981 ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1195.0,1199.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n MMWR.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1199.0,1199.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: Oh, yes. 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Phones kept--we couldn't keep up with the phones. We were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1258.0,1263.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"inundated with phone calls from people saying, \"I have somebody with this. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1263.0,1269.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know someone. I have it.\" And I had this notebook where I just wrote each time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1269.0,1276.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wrote, \"There's a new case of this and maybe--maybe there is a case.\" I just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1276.0,1283.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"put the particulars and took the name of the doctor so I could get back to him","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=1283.0,1291.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to see what was happening. 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I had to go to San Francisco and find a hotel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2062.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/383","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Finding a hotel was very difficult because of the federal [government] limit on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2070.0,2077.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/384","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"our hotels, which was $45 a night. 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He knew that I had gotten that needle stick in San Francisco","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2691.0,2699.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because he had helped with the San Francisco group. I showed him. I said, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2699.0,2706.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n\"Harold, look.\" And he looked at me and said--he felt it. 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She said, \"I have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2765.0,2772.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/496","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"three children, and I can't really afford to be near you.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2772.0,2777.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/497","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Oh gosh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2777.0,2778.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/498","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: But that's what people were afraid of. 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You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2798.0,2803.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/503","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"mentioned about the gay men that you were interviewing in San Francisco. The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2803.0,2809.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/504","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sense I have is that obviously they had given their informed consent to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2809.0,2815.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"participate in the study, but you didn't have any sense of unease on their ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2815.0,2822.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/506","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n part?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2822.0,2822.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, you were asking a lot of probing, intimate questions, getting a lot of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2822.0,2829.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"specimens. You're a US government employee and a woman to boot. But there was a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2829.0,2836.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"real willingness on their part to participate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2836.0,2839.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: Yes. It was overwhelming. The gay men came and would tell you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2839.0,2845.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"everything. Anything that you asked. They said, \"It might not help me, but it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2845.0,2852.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"may help someone in the future.\" So I think that was this wonderful spirit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2852.0,2859.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a reporter in San Francisco, Randy Shilts, who had a column, and he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2859.0,2866.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dedicated his column to the AIDS epidemic. No other paper wanted to pick it up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2866.0,2873.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was one of those things. The New York Times wouldn't even put \"gay men\" in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2873.0,2881.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/516","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"their newspaper. So ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2881.0,2882.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/517","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nRandy knew many of the patients who volunteered, and he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2882.0,2886.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/518","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would call them up after I interviewed them and say, \"What did she ask you?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2886.0,2893.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/519","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And, you know, it was like, \"How many sex partners do you have?\" And all of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2893.0,2900.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"these other--I think there was a critical question that we asked that I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2900.0,2906.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was really important. We really didn't know what the risk factor was and how","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2906.0,2912.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"many sex partners you had. But if a person was sick for several years, they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=2912.0,2919.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"might not have any sex partners. So how far should we go back to ask? 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They were carried out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3472.0,3476.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/618","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: And to this day, the case ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3476.0,3479.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/619","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\ndefinition has remained gender-neutral.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3479.0,3481.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/620","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3481.0,3482.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/621","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Oh, gosh Mary, some of these are incredible stories. I mean, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3482.0,3488.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/622","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were obviously part of something that changed history, the course of public","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3488.0,3494.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/623","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"health. How has that affected you personally and professionally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3494.0,3498.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/624","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: Well, you know, I was lucky enough to be at CDC, to be part of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3498.0,3506.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/625","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Smallpox Eradication Program, and then to be part of the early AIDS epidemic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3506.0,3512.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/626","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it was--there was such esprit de corps at CDC. People got together, despite","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3512.0,3519.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/627","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the fact we didn't have a budget, we didn't have money, and people were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3519.0,3526.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/628","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"complaining, \"Why is the government dealing with these people? They're immoral,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3526.0,3531.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/629","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and don't waste government money on this disease.\" But there was that group of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3531.0,3538.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/630","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people that were just determined to ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3538.0,3541.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/631","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\ndo something, and so it was a wonderful","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3541.0,3545.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/632","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"place to be. I really enjoyed it. Eventually, I became the Associate Director of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3545.0,3552.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/633","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Science, which I was the first woman to be that at CDC. So I felt that I had a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3552.0,3562.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/634","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"wonderful career at CDC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3562.0,3564.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/635","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Wow. Lots of stories. I'm sure we could go on for another half a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3564.0,3572.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/636","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"day here. Any sort of closing thoughts or comments? I mean, you've had now 30+","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3572.0,3580.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/637","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"years to reflect back on the epidemic, your work at CDC and others' [work], as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3580.0,3588.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/638","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"things have evolved. Any other thoughts that you'd like to share with us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3588.0,3595.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/639","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GUINAN: Yes, I would. I'd like to talk about Dr. Françoise Barré-Sinoussi, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3595.0,3601.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/640","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739#t=3601.0,3601.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/133953/file/248739/transcript/69290/annotation/641","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"discovered the HIV, the AIDS virus, in 1983. But nobody believed her. 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