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Dr. Darrow, do I have your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=20.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"permission to interview you and to record the interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=25.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: Yes, you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=28.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Bill, during our first conversation we ended in the midst of your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=29.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recounting of what became known as the Los Angeles [LA] Cluster Investigation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=34.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To briefly reset the scene, it's March-April 1982, and there's still some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=38.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"uncertainty as to how this new disease is being transmitted. 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Both of those things were indicated, you're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=612.0,617.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"absolutely right. Then the lines were to show that there had been within the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=617.0,623.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"past five years at least one sexual contact that could be confirmed. 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Ultimately 40 cases of AIDS in ten cities linked back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=665.0,671.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to this single individual. You say all of them had named him as a sexual","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=671.0,677.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"partner, and I presume he named them as a partner based on what you said. How","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=677.0,683.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did you designate him in this diagram of relationships?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=683.0,687.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: Let me go back a little bit to say that in March 1982, Dr. David [M.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=687.0,694.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Auerbach called [Dr. James W.] Jim Curran or [Dr.] Harold [W.] Jaffe or somebody","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=694.0,699.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the Task Force and said, \"You won't believe this, but one of the men that I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=699.0,706.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talked to recently said there are three different men that he knows very well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=706.0,711.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"all dying of the same constellation of immunosuppressive disorders. All of them","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=711.0,716.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are in the same hospital at the same ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=716.0,719.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\ntime, and they all have had sexual contact","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=719.0,722.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with one another.\" That was three of the four that you mentioned in your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=722.0,727.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"introduction. Dave already knew about those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=727.0,729.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then the response came. \"We really need to follow up on this. How about other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=729.0,734.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people in the area? Are they also involved with these three or others?\" Dave","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=734.0,739.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, \"I haven't gotten that far yet.\" They said, \"You might need some help with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=739.0,744.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this. Is it okay if we ask Bill Darrow to come out and help you?\" He said","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=744.0,750.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something to the effect of, \"Yeah, I can use all the help I can get.\" I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=750.0,756.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"asked to go join Dave. As you say, there were 19 cases that he knew about in the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=756.0,762.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Southern California area-- 13 were either alive or there was somebody who knew","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=762.0,766.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very much about their intimate sexual behavior. 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I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=937.0,942.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think he did actually fall off his chair. You'll have to ask him. We looked at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=942.0,947.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"each other with our mouths open and said, \"How could this be?\" The same person","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=947.0,951.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is named three times. 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By then he had a nickname, so I started calling him Patient Zero.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1083.0,1090.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: The first, really initial, if you will, transformation of Patient O","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1090.0,1095.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to Patient Zero happened within conversations, discussions about the LA Cluster","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1095.0,1100.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Investigation within CDC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1100.0,1101.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1101.0,1102.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: I didn't appreciate that, because I thought it originated outside","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1102.0,1107.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of CDC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1107.0,1108.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: No, it happened inside CDC over the ensuing months. By the time we wrote","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1108.0,1114.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it up and published it in 1984 --let me go back. 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Don't hold","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1538.0,1543.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything back.\" I very much admired that position that he took, because at the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1543.0,1548.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"time there was a lot of controversy in the press and in the public forum and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1548.0,1554.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"even in Congress about what was going on, this gay disease, all kinds of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1554.0,1559.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stigmatizing comments and so forth. But ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1559.0,1561.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nhe wanted us to be very open and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1561.0,1564.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"transparent. 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I spoke with him in private, one-on-one, during that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1568.0,1572.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"period of time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1572.0,1573.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: You did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1573.0,1574.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: I did. He said, \"Do you mind if I record this?\" I said, \"Quite frankly,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1574.0,1579.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd rather that you not. What I would prefer is that you take notes, and that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1579.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"before you quote me directly you give me the privilege of at least reviewing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1584.0,1589.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your notes before it becomes public record. Will you do that?\" He said \"Yes,\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1589.0,1594.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and he kept his promise. He sent me segments of his book before it went to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1594.0,1599.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"publication, and I had a chance to comment. He changed some things; other things","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1599.0,1604.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he didn't change. I remember one of my major recommendations was, \"Randy, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1604.0,1608.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"don't think you should be naming all of these people.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1608.0,1611.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: He used real names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1611.0,1613.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: He used real names. I said, \"You can name me, and you can name other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1613.0,1618.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"members of the government. You know, we're fair ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1618.0,1621.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\ngame. You can quote us if you've","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1621.0,1623.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"got the quotes, but you shouldn't talk about people that you met in bars and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1623.0,1628.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bath houses as part of your public life in San Francisco. I don't think that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1628.0,1633.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"appropriate. I think you should use pseudonyms.\" He said, \"I can't do it. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1633.0,1638.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"can't do it. This has to be all-truthful. I'm going to take my role as an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1638.0,1643.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"investigative journalist, and I'm going to do it.\" I said, \"Okay, but that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1643.0,1647.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your decision. My suggestion to you is that you not do it.\" I didn't like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1647.0,1652.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I didn't think it would be appropriate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1652.0,1654.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: He questioned you about the LA Cluster?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1654.0,1657.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: In great depth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1657.0,1658.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: In great detail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1658.0,1659.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: Yes. I can remember it, because David Auerbach said, \"Oh, you're going","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1659.0,1663.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to talk to Randy? I've already talked to him, and he knows everything.\" Then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1663.0,1668.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"David said after a brief pause, \"Everything.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1668.0,1670.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Ah, ah. Yes, he had the names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1670.0,1673.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: He had already gotten it from some other place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1673.0,1676.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: He had gotten it from some other source. 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I think he referred to this French-Canadian","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1684.0,1689.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"airline steward. \"I understand you met him and talked with him.\" I said, \"Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1689.0,1694.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in New York, not in Los Angeles.\" He knew a great deal about this. 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You worked in New York.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1711.0,1716.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/378","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, those of us working for CDC were communicating constantly, as you may","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=1716.0,1721.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/379","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recall. We tried to be very circumspect, and we tried not to use names. 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Nobody else had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2064.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/452","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"provided such extensive information.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2070.0,2072.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/453","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: I was going to ask you about that, because after the release of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2072.0,2079.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/454","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"book and perhaps other media, public press, Patient Zero was portrayed as a real","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2079.0,2086.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/455","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"villain, a scapegoat, someone who was knowingly spreading disease to his","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2086.0,2091.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"partners. 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It sounds very different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2098.0,2102.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: No, not at all. He came across as a person who was very much concerned","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2102.0,2109.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/460","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about his own health, about the health of others, because he knew many other","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2109.0,2115.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/461","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"people who were very sick and some who had already died. I think the last thing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2115.0,2122.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he wanted to do was to spread the disease to others. I said to him, \"You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2122.0,2129.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we don't know for sure what's causing this, but it's increasingly looking like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2129.0,2134.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"an infectious agent, a pathogen, a germ, something that's being spread from one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2134.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"person to another through unprotected sexual activities.\" He said, \"Whoa, what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2139.0,2143.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are you talking about? I've got cancer. There's no cancer that spreads by sexual","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2143.0,2149.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"contact. What are you talking about? This is not gonorrhea, this is not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2149.0,2154.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"syphilis.\" Now, he wasn't using those terms, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2154.0,2157.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nbut that was what was going through","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2157.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/470","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his head. I said, \"Just because we haven't found any link up to this point","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2160.0,2166.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/471","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"doesn't mean it's not possible. We now have to consider the hypothesis that this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2166.0,2171.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/472","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is a sexually transmitted disease. You could have gotten it from somebody else;","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2171.0,2176.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/473","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you could give it to somebody else.\" He says, \"Oh, my God, if that's true,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2176.0,2182.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/474","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's awful, but I don't think it's true. It can't be true because, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2182.0,2188.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/475","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you're going too far now essentially.\" He was very skeptical of that. I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2188.0,2193.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/476","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"unable to convince him that he should change his sexual behavior. That wasn't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2193.0,2198.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/477","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"part of our interview. We talked for an hour and a half or so, and then we had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2198.0,2205.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/478","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to end. At the time, he wasn't convinced that it was sexually transmitted. From","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2205.0,2210.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/479","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"what I understand, other people did confront him directly, including some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2210.0,2214.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/480","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"medical officers in public health, and said, \"Look, this is sexually ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2214.0,2218.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\ntransmitted. You've got to stop.\" And he said, \"I'm not convinced. I don't think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2218.0,2223.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so,\" from what I've heard. But that didn't happen in our conversations, and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2223.0,2228.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/483","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did speak to him a number of times after that on the phone. I never met him","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2228.0,2234.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/484","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"again face-to-face, not even when he came to CDC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2234.0,2237.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/485","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: He came to CDC for what reason?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2237.0,2240.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/486","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: He was called back to donate specimens. I think it was Dr. Harry [W.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2240.0,2245.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/487","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Haverkos who was instrumental in getting him to come to CDC to collect all kinds","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2245.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/488","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of specimens. At the time we thought that he might be a transmitter, and it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2250.0,2255.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/489","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"might be something biological that we could find that might suggest why he was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=2255.0,2260.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/490","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"transmitting. I don't know exactly when that happened. 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What a great guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=3148.0,3154.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/671","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's one of the real advantages of working in public health and at CDC-- you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=3154.0,3160.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"get to meet the most wonderful people. 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If not, what did it feel like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=3723.0,3729.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Certainly on the Task Force you were the sole sociologist amongst all these","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=3729.0,3734.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"biomedical types. What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=3734.0,3736.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DARROW: I had a great time, actually. I very much enjoyed it, because I had very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=3736.0,3742.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"good colleagues who for the most part were empathetic. Some were not. Some were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=3742.0,3748.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"extremely skeptical initially of the anecdotal data that we social scientists","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997#t=3748.0,3752.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134201/file/248997/transcript/69483/annotation/797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seem to thrive upon. 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