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This is Karen Torgaili. I'm in Kansas City, Kansas with Doctor Tom Chin in his office at the University Kansas University Medical center. And first of all, I want to thank doctor Chin for making time to see me today and I wanted to be sure it's okay with you, doctor Chin, if I record our interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2.72,26.942"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Glad to have you come.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=26.942,28.08"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, great. So before we start talking about CDC, I wondered if you could tell me how you came to be in medicine and in public health specifically. Tell me a little bit about your background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=28.08,42.32"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I came to this country in 1934 as a little boy at the age of twelve. And my father and my uncle had a restaurant in little town called Hamilton, Montana. And so after I came, I actually started out in Hamilton without knowing any English or anything. So I had to start in grade school and from the very, very bottom. But anyway, Hamilton is a very unique city, little town next to another city. The town is about 40 miles south of Missoula. Missoula is a big city compared with Hamilton. Hamilton has a, at that time had a population of 2300. So I started out in, in Hamilton after I entered the United States from San Francisco. So actually my grandfather was the first immigrant and my father came after that. So I guess I would consider I was a third generation. My grandfather was first generation, the second 3rd generation. But anyway, that the Hamilton is a location where the Rocky Mountain laboratory is located. And the Rocky Mountain laboratory which is under Nih, has always been under NIh. And what's a step is there to investigate the Rocky Mountain spot fever in western part of Montana which caused high fatality among the people exposed to it, mostly male. The adult males went hunting or worked on a farm or in that area, got bitten by a wood tick and many of them developed very severe disease and with a high fatality. So that's why the Rocky Mountain laboratory was established. So I knew being in the restaurant, small town, I met many scientists from the lab and also I helped in the restaurant. So I had a chance to talk with them. So I got to know most of them, many of them. So that's why I got my info. They invited me to go into their lab and I learned how to do certain things from them. Study takes fleas and so on. And that influenced me to go into this business. So that's how I got started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=42.32,236.792"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That's interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=236.792,238.024"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=238.024,239.55"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And then you went to medical school, college in Minnesota.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=239.55,243.726"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I went to grade school, high school there. So I went there in 1934 and graduated from high school in 1941. Then from there I went to the University of Michigan and where I had my pre medical education and medical school there at the University of Michigan in 1941.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=243.726,271.54"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And so. 1941, you finished medical school 1940s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=271.54,279.484"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I entered, you started in college in 1941.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=279.484,284.036"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, gotcha. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=284.036,285.668"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e And in 1941, I remember, was when the Japanese bombed for a harbor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=285.668,293.352"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=293.352,294.56"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e So just shortly I forgot there that they already under sort of, I guess, alert, you know. So they, I entered medical school and in 1934. No, no. Yeah, 1943 was an accelerated program in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=294.56,322.816"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=322.816,323.816"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e So I entered 1943 and graduated in 1946.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=323.816,328.96"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That was fast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=328.96,330.176"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So I was a, during World War two, I was in school so that the, all the people that went to medical school around that time had to serve later, after they graduated. So after my training in Michigan, which is, I graduated 1946. Then I took my residency training and so on and so forth and eventually got into CDC after my training.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=330.176,372.814"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you find out about CDC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=372.814,375.59"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I found out CDC. I was in the army. I entered army in 1951 to serve my two years, which all the people that had their medical training during World War two had to train serve at least two years. So I entered the army in 1950, 1951, was assigned to Kent at that time. Kent Poke is not far from New Orleans because I had my training in the residency and also. Yeah, I went to Tulane to get my training in public health.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=375.59,425.054"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=425.054,426.038"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Actually, I wanted tropical medicine, not tropical health because Tulane was well known for tropical medicine around that time. So after my residency training, and so I went to Tulane to, to study tropical medicine, which I got an MPH in tropical medicine there. Then they, of course, the korean war came along. But before they entered the army there, I had an MPH. I got married. I needed a job, so they recommended me to, to a job in southwest Louisiana as an assistant health officer. And it was by one of my professors, you know, I guess, in public health training and so on. And so I did. So I was in southwest Louisiana as an assistant health officer for about a year and a half before I had to entered the army. So after I entered the army in 1951, I was sent to Kent, which is not far from New Orleans. So. But before that anyway, I was a preventive medicine officer there in Kent because I got my MPH and got some public health background. So they say, okay, we'll assign you as a preventive medicine officer. So I was a preventive medicine officer for Ken Polk, and we had a lot of malaria cases and hepatitis cases from Korea, from the soldiers in Korea. And so they sent an EIS officer to come and check on it because of malaria and hepatitis. And Doctor Sapenfield was an EIS officer assigned to the Louisiana State Health Department. Bob Sapenfield, Bob Sabbath, yeah. So he came, and so I introduced himself, what he wanted, so on. He wanted the information on hepatitis and malaria and what are the infectious diseases. So that's how I got to talk to him. And as I talked with him, I learned that he's an EIS officer, what an EIS officer was. But actually, I heard about that in 1949 when Doctor Langmuir entered CDC from a circular in the medical library in Tulane. And it's talking about Doctor Langmuir stepping in an epidemiology program. So for some reason I remember that, so I could relate at least what Steppenfield is talking about. So he said, well, you know, you got your public health training. If you interested in epidemiology, why don't you enter the EIS? So I said, well, I'm already here as an army. Well, maybe you can get a transfer. So I wrote to the army and said, ask whether I can get a transfer or nothing. And they said, no, you have to serve there two years. But in the meantime, I kept in contact with Doctor Langmuir, his office. I forgot who was a person in his office. Not the administrative person, a very nice person. I forgot his name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=426.038,677.41"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it Mickey Lemayter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=677.41,679.81"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, Mickey Lemaitre was an EIS officer. No, this one is a non EIS officer. But anyway, I had contact with him with an army. I was sent to Korea after Kenpo. So while I went to Korea, I kept communication with him to find out what my interests continue to have interest in the EIS and so on and so forth. Through Seppenfield, I told him I might be interested in the EIS program. So in the army, I was a preventive medicine officer for the 8th army also, but also I was head of a small medical attachment. It's called medical intelligence. It's a medical intelligence detachment. So I had two duties. One is preventing medicine. Army preventive medicine office for the 8th army, and as a detachment commander, consists of three people only. But they say the main function of medical intelligence is to find out what's going on in the enemy territories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=679.81,766.9"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Was the concern bioterrorism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=766.9,769.364"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's concerned about bioterrorism because they want to find out what kind of infectious diseases is going on, say, in North Korea. But I didn't have to interview all these business because the industry is through what they call intelligence, the army intelligence. They have their regular, you know, interrogators and so on, and they interrogate the prisoners and also the people that move civilians traveling from North Korea to South Korea and ask them what kind of disease they have and all kind of information. So they recorded that and I merely had to review it. I didn't have to interview anybody, but because you got a lot of people to interview. So it's called medical intelligence. So happened that it's very close to, I guess it's to epidemic intelligence, particularly Doctor Lamir. So when I came back and they charged from the army in 1953, I went to see Doctor Langmuir through the communications I had already. So I went to Washington first. I didn't know any better, so I just went to Washington and to the public health Service and they said, oh yeah, we're interested in you. But the tuberculosis division was interested in me because I had training in tuberculosis and the venereal disease division was interested in me because in the army I worked in venereal diseases. So they offered me, we'll be glad to have you. I said no. I said, I want to talk to Doctor Langmuir. He said, well, Doctor Langmuir is not here, he's in Atlanta. So I went to talk to that. So I took a plane and no, I forgot when I took a plane, a train doesn't mean different. I think it was a train. I went to Atlanta and talked to Doctor Langmuir and met him. So he asked me a few questions about this and I got interested in it and so on. And asking about the Rocky Mountain Laboratory, I told him my experience. Rocky Mountain laboratory. I knew Doctor Cox, the guy that discovered Q fever organism and all these people. I think he was really impressed and he said, I'll offer you a job. I offer you the job as an EAIS officer if you come in as an EIS officer. So that's how I got in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=769.364,955.718"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow, that's an amazing story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=955.718,959.702"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So I was the first one that got an MPH among the EIS officers, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=959.702,968.582"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. I was going to say it must have been a very early, earliest program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=968.582,973.71"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, 1954. I entered 1954. So Sapenfield was 1951.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=973.71,987.02"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e He was the first dis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=987.02,988.388"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e He was first class. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=988.388,992.54"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And did you see Bob Sapenfeld when you came back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=992.54,995.94"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah, I talked with him about, I met him during the EIS conference. And so, so. Oh yeah, I knew Bob very well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=995.94,1005.204"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And did you know his son Bill?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1005.204,1007.276"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Pardon?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1007.276,1007.908"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you know his son Bill?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1007.908,1009.596"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1009.596,1010.388"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e He also was an EIS.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1010.388,1011.548"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right, I did hear that. I didn't know him, but I heard that he had a son in EIS. Yeah, that's how I got in the EIS.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1011.548,1022.996"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That's very interesting. It's a unique story. And so you started, you did the course. What was the course like in your.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1022.996,1035.101"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, the course was in April. See, I dethrone the army in December, and Doctor Langmuir want me to go in right away. I said, no, I already have a job lineup, and I couldn't come in until July 1, so. But then he said, you can come to the Eisdehdeh conference in April. So I went to the EIS conference in April, while, let's say, in the meantime, I had to transfer my commission from the army to the public health service, take some time. So I had to. Actually, it's a good thing I delayed for six months. But the EIS conference was great. Some report, wonderful reports. So it's not the EIS course, but EIs conference I attended in April. So not until I entered in July 1, I took the EIS course. The EIS club was really great. Very different from. From, say, the epidemiology course in Tulane is much more theoretical, whereas the IAS course was very practical. It was very challenging because Doctor Lahmer is such a wonderful lecturer, and he made the subject interesting. And another person I think was great was Doctor Meyer. I. KF Meyer. KF Meyer was a great lecturer also. And actually I heard him when I was a junior medical student in Michigan. The medical school somehow invited him to give a lecture. He gave a lecture on bubonic plague and on acidic hoses, untentness and this kind of thing. I remembered Meyer very well. So I told doctor Latimer about this, about care of. Meyer gave lecturer as a junior medical student. So Doctor Langmuir was quite impressed. You remember all that I said? Well, yeah, I knew of. Doctor Meyerhood was a medical student, at least as a lecturer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1035.101,1200.72"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So he must have been quite a dynamic speaker as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1200.72,1203.704"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, he was terrific. He would speak for hours. He was known to speak for four or 5 hours in one setting. And it's true, in Eisdev conference, he would speak all for two, 3 hours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1203.704,1225.01"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And he held people's attention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1225.01,1226.898"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e He helped people. But some people left, couldn't, you know. But he would stay. He would lecture until the last person, if necessary. But of course, a lot of people stayed when he lectured. So Doctor Langer was a great speaker. He was a great speaker. I think the EIS course was, and Myron Willis was a statistician. I think at that time, besides either sermon either did not teach so much in the EIS corps. Myron Willis, the one that teached statistics, he was a good teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1226.898,1273.83"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So those are people that stood out in your mind as good instructors?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1273.83,1277.95"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1277.95,1278.494"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e During your EIS court?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1278.494,1279.318"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Of course, at the EIS courts those days, Doctor Lanvier is the only person that gives a lecture because there aren't any trained epidemiologists the way that he wanted. So he did practically all lectures. Besides Krmir, I think KSMA is the only other lecturer, I think maybe one or two others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1279.318,1306.52"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you have any sense for how your class did things differently than the first few classes of EIS officers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1306.52,1314.48"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they, I guess the first two classes mostly, mostly physicians. I didn't study carefully, but my class had, I think the first and second class had physicians, veterinarians, and I don't know how many veterinarians and statisticians. I don't know whether any nurses or not. But in my class it's definitely. We had physicians, veterinarians, statisticians, nurses. We had an anthropologist, as a matter of fact, had that anthropologist. So it's a multidisciplinary in our class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1314.48,1367.83"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And what was the purpose of including those other specialties?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1367.83,1372.87"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think epidemiology, of course is a. Although most physicians in those days, epidemiology was occupied by most physicians, but later on the other discipline, like veterinarians, became interested in epidemiology. Statisticians has a great role in epidemiology, although they, you know, they're not epidemiologists per se, but statistics is such an important component of epidemiology. And the nurses certainly could go into epidemiology. Their training is probably nothing. Epidemiology. So even one, I remember one anthropologist in our group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1372.87,1430.39"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e What did the anthropologist end up doing for his assignment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1430.39,1435.47"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember what he was doing. I don't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1435.47,1442.35"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1442.35,1443.51"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1443.51,1445.03"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And I understand Phil Brockman was in your class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1445.03,1447.606"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Phil Brackman was in my class, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1447.606,1453.64"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And someone named Ernie Chick.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1453.64,1455.728"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, Ernie Chick was in my class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1455.728,1458.92"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So it was chin and Ernie Chick.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1458.92,1460.704"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, chin and chick. Chicken chin. Chicken chin. Sounds like chicken chin. So Chick was taking pathology here in Ku. Oh, he was from Ku. And I don't know how he got him, but he's from. He's a pathologist. The training at least went in pathology. So he was assigned back over here for. Interesting. I don't know why they assigned him back over here. It's unusual because doctor Langmia usually assigns somebody somewhere. You ought to go somewhere else and get some experience. But he was sent back over here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1460.704,1501.884"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, interesting. Yeah, I'm sure he had his reasons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1501.884,1506.116"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's been a reason. I don't know what reason, but it's strong enough for him to be sent back here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1506.116,1516.7"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So then you all chose the area that you wanted to work in, right? You mustered your choices?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1516.7,1523.844"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, yeah, three choices. Three choices. And when Doctor Langmuir asked me, I already made up my mind about choice. Of course they give you a sheet of paper, you have to wrang it and so on. My first choice was with Joe Milnick at Yale because he was a virologist, very well known virologist, and my second choice was Doctor Francis, University of Michigan. Of course I came from the University of Michigan and my third choice was with a doctor Siverton in the University of Minnesota because I was interested in going to virology or related area, Singleton Silverton. Silverton. That's why I corrected this building as by v e r t o ndez Siverton. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1523.844,1592.316"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e See within an unusual name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1592.316,1593.868"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he said German. Siverton is a german name? I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1593.868,1598.78"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So you knew about him and you wanted to work with him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1598.78,1601.74"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I knew about him, yeah, I read some of his papers before and also doctor Mildred course is well known in Yale, and Doctor Franz, I know him from my medical school experience. So I told Doctor Langmuir, he said that, he asked me why you choose those three areas. I said I want to be learn more laboratory in virology besides epidemiology. So he looked at me, he said yeah, but you had no laboratory background. I said look, I just, I had laboratory background because although I did not spend much time in the laboratory, I knew Doctor Cox, Harold Cox in the Rocky Mountain Laboratory. I used to go in this lab and also I, and also working with Doctor Jellison as a student in his lab, so I know a lot about basic laboratory procedures. And also after my residency I went to see Doctor Cox to see if I can spend a month in his lab and he was with the head of the virus in Rickyesu laboratory at that time. So I say I went there and I learned how to grow viruses, how the chick embryos and even how to grow the tumor in a chick embryo. So I know a lot of techniques, but I didn't spend a lot of lab, but I can learn laboratory techniques. Then he looked at me, he asked me about the, my training in cv and tuberculosis because I had a year of training in tuberculosis. And so he looked at me and said well you have training in tuberculosis and chest diseases and Doctor Furklow need a person who is trained in chest diseases and I will assign you to the Kansas City fuel stations. I didn't even know the Kansas City fuel station.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1601.74,1753.11"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Had you ever been to Kansas City?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1753.11,1754.918"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I never been. No, no. Let me see. Yeah, yeah. During my honeymoon I drove through the Ku by Rainbow Avenue to the Ku campus. I just knew the Ku backl center. A sign there. I remember a sign there. I drove through it, I said, I've never been in cancer. He said, well, would you train it? You would be great with Doctor Furkulow. So he wouldn't change his mind or even talk, give any other reasons. I'd say you will go to Kansas Field. Say I said, I want to learn virology. Okay, I'll send you to Doctor Silverton's lab for two months. After two months you go to Kansas City fuel station. I said, well, in this case I just go there directly. So that's how I got here. But when I got here, you see Doctor Wenner, of course, he had a virus research lab over here I didn't know anything about. And so I was assigned there during the salt vaccine trial, which is 1954. Yeah, salt, recent 1954. And this is the same year that I arrived. So I think that doctor Lammer didn't know about Doctor Wenner. He said, you can spend some time with doctor winner. So that's how I got. So he was assigned me to do a part time with doctor winner.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1754.918,1874.21"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And did that work well for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1874.21,1875.906"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, yeah. Actually he had a terrific laboratory, very, very good laboratory. And he was at that time, which I did not know, coordinate all the laboratories that participated in the salt weeks vaccine trial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1875.906,1895.23"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e It was a big job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1895.23,1896.446"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e He had a big job. He got about 20 some laboratories that he had to coordinate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1896.446,1903.75"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And when you tested the, the vaccine, it was different in those days, wasn't it? You didn't have to get permission?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1903.75,1912.34"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, let me see. No, not, not very much, except for the school, because they have a class. So they stratified this by different grades and different schools and so on and maybe some, but I don't. Think carefully. You have to sign, you know, have to sign. No, there's no permission. It's not that particular anyway. You might ask if somebody, the parent didn't want to participate, they object, then okay, we won't do it. But in general say, okay, the class one will do this and class two will do this and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1912.34,1963.42"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember? Oh, and you participated in the investigation for the cutter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1963.42,1968.9"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I was already. In 1954 I was assigned to doctor Furkulow, Doctor Wenner's lab, which is a work on assort vaccine trial. There's still a lot of specimens, a lot of follow up. You know, I had to go to the field, collect snus specimens and collect bloods and so on. And that's in 1954. But 1955, the cardinal, I was already busy with the assault vaccine trial. So Ernie Chick was the only one that assigned to. Yeah, Ernie Chick was the one that assigned to the cock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=1968.9,2007.19"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what I'm remembering from your previous interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2007.19,2010.134"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I didn't have much to do with the card vaccine trial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2010.134,2018.93"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And speaking of polio, was that a particular interest of yours when you came in and did you, was that one of your specialties?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2018.93,2027.642"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, no, I was interested in parasitology in Tulanda because tropical medicine and was interested in the protozoan at that time. So as a matter of fact, one time after I finished Tulane, I want to go into study immunochemistry of the protozoans. So I want to be get my PhD degree. I want to go ahead and get my PhD degree. Somehow as time went along that, you know, I did not go in specifically for a PhD degree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2027.642,2075.05"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So your interests were developed by your job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2075.05,2079.506"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Actually, of course I had chess training and I was assistant to Doctor Furklow. I could read the x rays and so on with him and so on. It was very helpful to him. But my interest, it was in a virus laboratory with doctor winner, although I did participate in my second epidemic investigation was on hisoplasmosis. That was written by Burton Rosher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2079.506,2116.1"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I have that book. And I read did the chapter about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2116.1,2119.494"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that investigation, the investigation. And.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2119.494,2126.55"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I think that's where I learned about the TD white chin. Yeah, yeah, right where that nickname came from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2126.55,2136.75"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e But Doctor Goddard gave me that. Doctor Goddard gave me that, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2136.75,2141.67"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, the director. CDC director.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2141.67,2143.766"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. So he saw me, he remember name? They call it Thumbnail Yu Chin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2143.766,2159.44"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you must have been very prominent for him to give you a nickname.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2159.44,2163.984"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, actually he was probably one of my most famous, I guess impressed as a CDC director. He impressed me more than anyone else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2163.984,2179.84"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Tell me more about him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2179.84,2182.24"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, he, of course he came in in 1962 as a director. And in 1962 I was made the chief of the Kansas City field station. Director of Kansas City Field station. And I guess he. I don't know, but I met him in Atlanta one time and I was walking in the parking lot for some reason I don't know why. I walked in the parking lot and he was driving in a little van. You know, stand up, you drive, and you could stand up and drive. That kind of, it looked like a van. So I was walking. So he stopped the gutter. So he said, I don't know why, he knew me somehow. So he asked me to get on and, and he'll take me to where I want to go, which is just the entrance of CDC. So while he was driving and he was drinking up there and drinking the coke or something, kept on talking. And somehow he knew something about me because I was appointed as a headed the field station and so on. But I don't know how he knew it. Then he told me, he said, ask me about something about myself and so on. The first thing he said, now you're going to be the head of the fuel station, you ought to get some management training. He said. I said, management training? No, I never thought about that. Yeah. He said, there's an American AMA, American Medical, no, American Management association, and give a short course, a brief course on management for middle managers. And he said, you ought to take that. I want you to take that. So then at his recommendation, I took that. This is a wonderful course, management course. What it does is you go to New York, the headquarters for the American Management association, and they have their classroom and so on and so forth, so that usually the middle class managers take their course from all industries, steel mills and all kinds. So I registered and took that course. You take one week and lectures and conferences with all these people. Must be about 1500, at least 100 people in the class. Then you would go back and practice for three months. Then you would go back for another week for a total of four weeks, one year. And I thought it was wonderful. Course I told doctor Goddard, after my 1st, 1st experience the first week and also the practice and so on, I told him, this is real great. And somehow, I don't know, I met him off and on. Somehow he got somehow interested in me or something. I don't know. So I don't know why he picked on me. It's something that I never knew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2182.24,2437.692"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So the nickname came later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2437.692,2442.3"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e He told me that he's the one that called me Tom Dam Yu chin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2442.3,2452.3"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e It's kind of an honor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2452.3,2453.652"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's that too. He was a very dynamic man. He always wore his atmos uniform. Oh yeah. He was just like that military man. And he would, when he's in, his flag was up. When he's out, the Atmos flag is down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2453.652,2481.04"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Did he start that tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2481.04,2483.136"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2483.136,2483.83"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it just when he was director?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2483.83,2485.782"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, he was director. Oh, yeah. He was a reign of places really, like a, like an emerald. And he was very sharp. By San Francisco, he would have a problem. He would cut right through it without any that got right through because of his skill, I guess you can call it skill of management. And he was asked to shape up the FDA. So after he'd been there for a couple years or four years, three or four years, and they needed him to shape up the FDA because the FDA at that time was a. Was lousy, apparently, the Food and Drug Administration. Yeah, yeah. So he went there and straightened out the FDA. So he was transferred, I guess, from CDC. He was there for about four years at CDC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2485.782,2557.45"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Who was the director when you started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2557.45,2561.5"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Was it director? I think Douglas Bauer, maybe 1954. Let's see. I cannot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2561.5,2571.34"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Vanderleer no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2571.34,2574.66"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e 50 54. Doctor Bauer, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2574.66,2578.428"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Doctor Bauer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2578.428,2579.308"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Doctor Bauer. A very good man. He was very impressed. He's a very thoughtful man. Yeah. Doctor Bauer. Yeah. And very personal. Very, very personal. I know him quite well. Among the directors. I know also Larry, quite well. He was a. He was from the venereal disease.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2579.308,2611.27"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Clarence Smith.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2611.27,2612.92"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Larry Smith. Yeah, yeah, he was disease and tape Bauer. I forgot what, what group is. He said his background, but he was a very, very personable. I had very nice chat, chatting with him off and on when I was in Atlanta. Yeah, he knew he had all the girls, five daughters. And Doctor Anderson was from TB. He was from TB and he from venereal disease. But I forgot what Doctor Bauer was now. And of course, he was a malarialist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2612.92,2662.078"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Doctor Andrews.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2662.078,2663.206"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I had conversations with him, but not close conversations. This is very formal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2663.206,2675.12"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you know Doctor von der Leyer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2675.12,2677.44"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I didn't know him. I didn't know him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2677.44,2682.128"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And I guess the first director, Mark Collins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2682.128,2687.032"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Mark Collins, only by name. I might have. He was an engineer, I think a sanitary engineer, but I don't have a very good memory of it. No, those before my time, but they miss Williams way before. I understand he was very good, but I don't remember anything special about him. So the people that I know, most of us, Jim Goddard and Larry Smith and Tate power and Doctor Anderson, I had often had conversations with him, but the person that really impressed me was Jim Cutter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2687.032,2744.63"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it sounds like he really took a personal interest in you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2744.63,2747.55"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. For some reason.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2747.55,2752.47"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e In your course, did they talk about malaria control in war areas and how that program worked before?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2752.47,2761.03"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Actually, very little about malaria, some malaria, but not very little.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2761.03,2770.96"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you know anything about it on your own?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2770.96,2773.92"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I knew it from Tulane, of course, the tropical medicine. Malaria was still a big thing. And also when I was in the army, there was a lot of malaria in Kentucky. I saw a lot of malaria cases with the soldiers coming back, so I knew quite a bit. Malaria was a. You have to know malaria when you go in tropical medicine. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2773.92,2801.81"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And you saw the patients yourself and treated them since you were the physician for camp poke?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2801.81,2808.89"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I was a preventive medicine officer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2808.89,2812.21"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So how did you handle the situation with malaria from a preventive point of view?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2812.21,2819.378"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, the only, they have a, these patients actually still have malaria come in for treatment. So mostly they're convalescing patients, although some of them are still pretty sick because they're flying back from Korea. They only took a short period of time. So it's a matter of counting how many cases, you know, how medication malaria had, who they are, and so on. That's what doctor Sepperfield was interested in. See how many cases of malaria that you have and how many cases of hepatitis and different kinds. So the brain is more of the basic data collection. But since I had training in tropical medicine, I used to go to the laboratory, which on my own I didn't have to. I was a preventive medicine officer, so I used to go to the laboratory every day. And corpsman, he's trained in how to examine specimens and so on. But a lot of times he had the equation. So I knew a lot about parasites because it just offended my training in Tulane. So I used to go to the lab and I would work with him. So if he has a question about, is this amoeba? Is it amoeba? What is like, and if a spott smear has some parasites in there, and he won my opinion, I would talk with him about it. But that was my ace of work on my part. I didn't have to do that. I would just say, okay, we had 50 cases of malaria. Today they come in and 50 cases hepatitis or so on and so forth. It's just enumerated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2819.378,2943.47"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So he was counting cases. He wasn't necessarily doing surveillance?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2943.47,2948.87"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, that's right. The 7th field was interesting. Number of cases come in, just collect data. So how many cases come in and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2948.87,2959.74"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I was going to ask you about the beginning of surveillance and reportable diseases. I know that the Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists began around the same time the CDC did. Is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2959.74,2974.5"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2974.5,2975.908"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And I wondered if, since you worked with the state health department and with the Kansas Medical center. If you knew something about those early beginnings of CSTE.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2975.908,2986.662"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I know very little about was organized probably around the time that Doctor Langmuir appeared, probably. I don't know when it started. But Doctor Langbeer used to be old, play a very important role in a Santario epidemiologist group. And also it was unusual to be invited to go there. And I was invited only once. I had to give a talk about something, I guess. So that's why I was invited.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=2986.662,3025.76"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So otherwise, was it just the directors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3025.76,3029.576"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e For instance, of the state health departments, the state epidemiologists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3029.576,3034.698"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3034.698,3035.57"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a group of state epidemiologists meet together. And of course, Doctor Langmuir being a, you know, being in the state. So he represented CDC, I guess. But I was asked to go there only once for all the time I was or CDC. But now I think it's a little bit, well, maybe still the states people, local state epidemiologists, just like Doctor Newberger. He's an interest in environmental health. He got himself invited to go there periodically. I don't know how he. But maybe he knew somebody. He said, I would like to go, and so on. So he goes there periodically, but I don't go through that. But to Doctor Langmuir there was an elite organization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3035.57,3095.42"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Doctor Langmuir had been in a state health department as well, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3095.42,3100.5"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e He was in a local. He was a local health officer, not in the state. He was a. He was a local health officer in New York. In one of the city's donkers. He was a either district or a city health officer. Did it run out of battery?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3100.5,3146.174"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I'm trying to turn off the sound. Go ahead. Okay, now it won't ring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3146.174,3156.318"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway, the state territorial of the day they give that report of what's going on in the state. From the epidemiology standpoint, I say every year, once a year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3156.318,3175.36"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e The other question I was going to ask, before we get too far away from polio, I was reading that there was an outbreak in Ohio in 1945, and it may have been one of the first outbreaks that Doctor Langmuir went to with some CDC people before eis started. Do you know anything about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3175.36,3196.89"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember the Ohio, but in Baltimore was one of the early one investigation in Baltimore, but I don't remember specifically the one in Ohio. No, that was before the. Before the polio epidemic in 1960. In the 1960s, yeah. But I know there are some of the early studies in Baltimore. For example, in folio some papers. Paul Worley. Yeah, Paul Worley did the investigation in some polio the early days, but I wasn't interested in polio until it appeared here because at that time I was interested in, course in assault vaccine trial was on polio, but in those cases were not a lot of polio. During that period of time, the incidence was fairly low, but before that was high, then later on, after the salt vaccine was introduced, then they have sympolio mainly it's because the salt vaccine was given to the whites upper economic, whereas the black did not, either did not receive or had no chance to receive the vaccine. So the outbreaks concentrated in the center of the city, amount of blacks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3196.89,3310.52"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, because they didn't get the vaccine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3310.52,3312.168"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e They didn't get the vaccine. So that's the reason. But before, before in the 1940s, polio occurred commonly, actually more commonly among the upper socioeconomic people. The reason for that is that the lower socio economic people were exposed to polio very, very early and developed immunities, developed immunity. The mother had high immunity. Consequently they transferred the antibodies to the newborns. So when the newborns got infected, it's a mild infection. So they develop immunity very young. So the polio is due to the environmental changes as it also behavior changes. So the polio actually in the 1930s and 1940s, very, very severe, but mostly later on occur in the younger upper pseudonymic people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3312.168,3386.26"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That's very interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3386.26,3387.644"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Whereas the blacks or the low psalm people already expose the antibody from the mother, milk from the mother, and also their environment is also poor, so they got infected early. So when you get infected early, it's a mild asymptomatic infection. So not until you delayed, until you become early teens. And when you get infected, it's very, very severe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3387.644,3420.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3420.0,3420.944"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, not too much. This era is 1940s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3420.944,3428.92"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3428.92,3430.008"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, and later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3430.008,3433.16"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And I didn't know if science was impacted by politics in any way that you recall during those early days, especially in the early fifties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3433.16,3444.84"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e In the early fifties. Now, actually, when I came in in 1954. That's the golden age of virology. That's the golden age of virology. Use tissue cultures and so on. And prior to that, it was difficult. Egg yolks and very much more difficult. But what really made public health was the polio. The polio is because at Roosevelt developed paralysis. And who was the head of the polio foundation at that time? Oh, he's very influential, very political. Forgot his name. He's the one that ran the polio foundation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3444.84,3516.198"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And did he start the march of dimes as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3516.198,3519.278"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. Actually, really what, what led public health was polio. You know, the heart, the lung, the iron lung was developed here in Kansas. In Kansas, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3519.278,3539.4"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3539.4,3540.28"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, yeah. People used to have paralysis and there were iron lungs all over the place. And so that area polio really helped put public health on the map, I think. Then it drifted down and even Doctor Stewart, I don't know whether they didn't have his name as a director. Bill Stewart. Yeah, he was the, he was an AI's officer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3540.28,3585.444"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e He was surgeon general.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3585.444,3586.964"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he was a surgeon general. Oh, he was surgeon. He was not director of CDC. He was surgeon general. That's right. He's the one said infectious disease has already wiped out. So they had very little money was going into infectious diseases and then the incidence of tuberculosis coming up. But what made really infects disease or public health again was hiv in 1982.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3586.964,3626.55"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So you think when new epidemics came along, that strengthened public health? Yeah, the interest in public health, at least.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3626.55,3633.56"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, polio is a big thing, you know, because the kids get paralyzed. And that was a, and also Rosevelt have polio. So that made public health during that period was a very important period, but that's before they. Well, this is around the 1940s, too, but the 1950s was a little bit different. Of course, there's a vaccine and trials and so on, but then the interest infect disease dropped. Even some people, that training in infectious disease said, oh, we don't need to train so many physicians in infectious disease any longer. Petersdorf, for example, in University of Washington, he came out saying, we're going to stop training so many infectious disease physicians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3633.56,3690.98"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Why do you think that was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3690.98,3693.26"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Because he thought the incidence coming down and the chronic disease had taken over. But he was wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3693.26,3704.38"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think they thought that because we had antibiotics, it would take care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3704.38,3707.994"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Of the infectious disease and the antibiotics would take care of it? Yeah, but they forgotten about HIV. That came along. But the hospital infection, that's what really see in the 1950s, we had a lot of staphylococcus epidemics. The mothers would have breast infections and a lot of mortality among the pregnant mothers. And in the 1950s, that's when there was a big thing about staphylococcus epidemics. So many EIS officers actually did a lot of work in the 1950s, a staphylococcus infection, until CDC came along and said, okay, until that happened in the 1950s with staphylococcus infection, then it started to have hospital infection control for the first time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3707.994,3776.394"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e It's amazing, isn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3776.394,3777.93"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And the infection became more and more important. Now, of course, it's static, but still a lot of mortality associated with hospital infections. Yeah, but hospital infection is not glamorous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3777.93,3797.946"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Not like HIV or a child in an iron lung.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3797.946,3801.626"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, that's right. So those. They actually made public health not sometimes mortality come from. From hospital infections. Not so glamorous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3801.626,3819.78"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Before we finish up, I want to ask one more question that I had thought of, and that was about epidemiology and lab. It seems like there is a pattern there of a separateness, whereas in the previous interview with you, it seemed to me that you were talking about integrating them more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3819.78,3841.262"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3841.262,3842.166"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Can you talk a little bit about how that relationship was during the early years and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3842.166,3848.51"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, when I first got the CDC, there's a laboratory branch, epidemiology branch, technology branch, and a training branch, essentially four of them, and each one is very distinct. Doctor Langmuir had no laboratory support. See? No laboratory under the epidemiology control.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3848.51,3876.28"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So they were two completely separate units. Completely separate together, shared.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3876.28,3881.16"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Not so much. Not so much. Not so much. Just like Doctor Edward filled in with great with the salmonella and E. Coli, but it's not work intimately with epidemiologists. Elaine Abdyk was great in Streptococcus, but she's just working on the streptococcus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3881.16,3908.39"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So how did that happen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3908.39,3910.374"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e It seems to me that because in venereal disease, actually the public health service was known in venereal disease, because venereal disease was so common in those days. It appears so common. So venereal disease had the laboratory develop a laboratory venereal disease lab, very well known, and that was intimately integrated with the clinical studies. So they did support clinical studies. But then you have. They come in with polio. Well, the laboratory branch did polio. They did their interest, their own interest, but did not really support epidemiological studies. So Doctor Langmuir, when I first came here, Doctor Langmuir had no labs at all. So in order to get support, I beg them to. Can I send you 50 specimens? 50. My interest is in this area. So they would just kind of look warm, but they did it. But it kind of looked warm. He had no control. The only ones really integrated in, just like, Kansas City field stations. It's small. We had our own labs, and the epidemiologists in the lab, the lab people that also have contact with epidemiology and so on, all those are integrated. Doctor Furklow had a mycology lab. He also did field work. So he is able to integrate the field activity with the laboratory activities in the field station. You could do that to some extent, you could do in the university, but not so well because universities is more basic kind of research. So this was really very difficult for Doctor Langmuir. Doctor Langmuir actually had very little interest. He utilized the lab. He would like to. Oh, I will send you a hundred specimens, you run it for me. Well, who's going to do that? Because I'm interested in finding out what new viruses is. I'm not interested in testing 500 StU specimens for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=3910.374,4091.87"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Were there some budgetary issues in there too? They must have had separate budgets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4091.87,4096.966"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. The reality branch has their own budget, laboratory branch has their own budget. They practically don't speak to each other. And we're the only one CDC at that time we had a mycology laboratory and we had the field of people that work in it as well, because there's relatives more in the quantitative building. The lab was the back and the conference room in the front. And so if you go into the field, collect specimens, you talk with the laboratory people, say how many specimens you think you need, not say, oh, I'll send you 500 specimens. You see? So there is a collaboration rather than support. The lab is to Doctor Langley is always a supporting component. He's the one that can decide how many specimens and what kind of building is going to be sent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4096.966,4169.49"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So you think maybe it was an approach issue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4169.49,4172.498"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e That's the approach. So we were just like Doctor Langbeer. In 1957, epidemic occurred.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4172.498,4183.13"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Influenza.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4183.13,4184.09"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Influenza. And I was the one that went to Grinnell, Iowa, they did a study. So I gave him a report and so forth, and I said, I collected some specimens, so many, but I have to send it to the state to get a process. You ought to be able to do it yourself. I said, okay, you give me some money or I'll set up a lab. So I set up the lab for influenza for the first time. So I was able to coordinate and integrate the fields with the lab.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4184.09,4227.99"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And how old were you when you did this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4227.99,4230.526"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e This was in 1950, 719, fifties when I came and doctor Wenner gave me a lab. He has a folio lab, but he ran out of space because he got some contracts from CDC to run specimens. So he asked me to be the supervisor of that lab. I created that lab in our little Quonset building, find a space in the quads building, but through the CDC contract money, so I was able to do investigations on other things. Intravirus. We found new antiviruses and so on. But a few people could go into the lab and look at this and that and give their input and what type of specimens, how many specimens and so on. And then the lab people say, oh, we need to have these kind of specimens and this kind of specimens and so on. So you have a dialogue together and we the only one. And not until, oh, sometime in the 1960s, maybe until late 1960s, Doctor Lamier had a first Staphylococcus lab under epidemiology. So not until quite late that the CDC organized such as the epidemiology and the lab and all those integrated under one place. See now just like in cd virology, they have epidemiologists integrated in the group, so they have a dialogue and input about epidemiologists and the field works. The laboratory had an input on it. But before Doctor Langbeer said, okay, I send you a number of specimens, you run it for me, I'll analyze it. So we first won and it was quite obvious to eis officers even.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4230.526,4378.23"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That's very interesting. Yeah, that explains it in a very, very cohesive way to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4378.23,4383.862"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4383.862,4386.51"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Now would you tell me about the pictures you have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4386.51,4389.414"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Well I just give you a view, see what you, you'll be interested in. This one, I think this one is a Dave sensor. Yeah, this was a epidemic plague in 1968 and Dave sensor sent me there. It was big plague epidemic in Indev, in Java. And we have a team, actually consists of all kinds from epidemiology, from the lab and so on. And we did a very good job actually for doctor saints at that time. It was 1968. Doctor Saint just appointed me as a, as a director for all the field stations. So he sent me there. He said, you go to the Java leader team and that consists people from different areas. We had entomologists, mammalogists and laboratory people and technology people all in this one team. And we did a very good job and did the government or Indonesia. Yeah, the government was very pleased with the work so they gave Doctor Sanzer this plaque. So I don't know whether you still have this plaque or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4389.414,4489.05"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I'll have to look.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4489.05,4490.258"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And then the picture was taken when I brought this pack back to present it to him, given by the, you know, by the, by the government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4490.258,4507.18"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Who are the other people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4507.18,4510.58"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e This is a doctor Poland was with me at the time, but now he's a retired but he was sent to the Abu virus labyrinth in Fort Collinse later on. And he was an EIS officer and he was a laboratory manager for our.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4510.58,4531.43"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Program do you remember their names?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4531.43,4537.55"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Doctor Poland Gravel. I forgot his name. I can get it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4537.55,4543.59"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Class of 67 maybe, or 68.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4543.59,4547.854"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e 68.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4547.854,4549.62"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I can look too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4549.62,4550.94"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I can. I do have his name, but I just have a mineral block and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4550.94,4556.508"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So this the year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4556.508,4557.9"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e This was 1960. 819.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4557.9,4560.116"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e 68. That's very. So I don't know if they have that picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4560.116,4563.236"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So you might want to check it and maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4563.236,4566.556"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4566.556,4567.9"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e That one said now they. I don't know what the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4567.9,4575.12"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That was very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4575.12,4576.576"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. This is Doctor Langmuir. When I retired, he wrote me these letters. I thought you might like this. Yeah, I see it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4576.576,4590.44"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e You're a good friend. A fine traveling companion. Capable clinician, versatile epidemiologist, consummative chef, record collector of fields stations and a master lion tamer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4590.44,4603.02"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I like the last one. That's great. Yeah. Now this one. When I was made the director, Doctor Sanzer wanted all the field stations integrated under one roof. So that's when they appointed me in 1966 to coordinate all the field stations, the CDC, except the one in Savannah. And that's the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4603.02,4646.84"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4646.84,4649.68"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I have an extra one so you can have that if you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4649.68,4652.432"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. So this was 19. 68?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4652.432,4655.65"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e 68, yeah. Well, either one. This is which one you like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4655.65,4666.17"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e They're the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4666.17,4667.242"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Only this one, this is in my office in the new CDC building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4667.242,4673.034"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e New. Look at it. Did you have one of those? No. It looks like you had a wooden desk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4673.034,4680.77"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4680.77,4681.378"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e You didn't have a green metal desk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4681.378,4683.242"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no wooden desk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4683.242,4685.226"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I would like this one, if you don't mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4685.226,4686.978"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4686.978,4689.45"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And this is when you were field director?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4689.45,4692.058"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. 1968. That's what made. I was made the coordinator of all the field station. 1966. So this is 19. 66. 66, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4692.058,4707.166"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. You're made the coordinator.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4707.166,4711.91"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e What they call. They call the ecological investigations program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4711.91,4718.67"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I remember you talking about that in your interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4718.67,4721.262"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. And I think he was very astute to do that, to coordinate all the. All the field stations. He really have it. He want to upgrade it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4721.262,4743.3"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e No computer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4743.3,4744.796"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No computer. We have a calculator. Then when we open the new lab from the Quonset building, that's when they. Doctor Langmuir is Doctor Langmuir. And I think Johnny Rowe was the first director of the Midwest CDC in Kansas City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4744.796,4770.23"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e You mentioned him too. Johnny Rowe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4770.23,4772.478"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4772.478,4772.886"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e R O W E. Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4772.886,4775.47"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I forgot who this person is, but this is Doctor Poland. He was an EIS officer. He was in this guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4775.47,4789.25"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Doctor Poland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4789.25,4790.762"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Poland. He was a. At the University of Kansas. I recruited him. He was the first EIS recruit from Kansas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4790.762,4801.85"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e How do you spell his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4801.85,4803.138"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it Poland? Just like Poland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4803.138,4805.434"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4805.434,4805.978"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e P o l a n D. Jack Poland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4805.978,4809.37"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Jack and Granville.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4809.37,4816.268"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e You said this guy was Gravel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4816.268,4818.692"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Gravel, yeah. To his lab.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4818.692,4821.06"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he was a manager of our lab. He was very good. Now this is the. Probably the last meeting we had in 1972 of our program, what we call ecological investigation program. The CDC building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4821.06,4851.324"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And this was 72.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4851.324,4855.54"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, 1972. Because the whole program was terminated in 1973 because they, because they lack a font. See, in nestring, the Nixon era. Oh, I see there was a reduction above.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4855.54,4878.41"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e You've even got names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4878.41,4880.29"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I got all the names in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4880.29,4883.85"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Jim Maynard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4883.85,4885.154"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4885.154,4886.41"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e He's someone you talked about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4886.41,4888.026"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. This one. If you want to reproduce it, then give it back to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4888.026,4894.084"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4894.084,4894.388"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't want. These are all the names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4894.388,4897.9"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And here's Cliff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4897.9,4899.212"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Cliff Garvel. Yeah. Bruce Dahl was there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4899.212,4903.836"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Ken Powell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4903.836,4904.788"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Ken Powell. Yeah. Ken Powell is also a sign here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4904.788,4911.34"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e He lives on our street and we live in his old house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4911.34,4915.108"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was in the is of sin here. So we had a, we had a periodic meeting of all the field station people coming, all the key people in the different field stations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4915.108,4936.27"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e This is priceless. Yeah, Gary Noble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4936.27,4942.44"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Gary Noble. He was a. He was assigned here and then up in Alaska. Oh, actually he was assigned to Omaha first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4942.44,4953.8"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And he was the first one. First EIS officer in Alaska.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4953.8,4957.896"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4957.896,4959.12"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I learned that from the interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4959.12,4961.68"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4961.68,4963.72"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e This you want back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4963.72,4965.168"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I'd like to have that back if you. I don't know what it is. Doctor Furklow. The first epidemic we both and I investigated, it was polio, but turned out to be encephalitis. And in Hidel County, Texas, he and I went down there and investigated. It turned out to be the biggest epidemic of St. Louis encephalitis since 1938. It was in 1954, my first year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=4965.168,5002.168"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Suck it. No wonder he calls you too darn young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5002.168,5017.52"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So these are my first epidemic. And turn out that turned out that St. Louis encephalitis really is very common. Subclinical infections are very common. And in one case we had estimated 50 asymptomatic infections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5017.52,5043.036"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So for every r1, every symptomatic case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5043.036,5046.782"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e There were 50 subclinical subclinicals. It was shown for the first time and also shown for the first time that specific mosquitoes really transmitted an infection. No one had shown it before. So that was a collaboration between the. We had entomologists for the technology branch and laboratory people. No, not veterinarian but the laboratory, I identified the St. Louis encephalitis virus from the Montgomery lab at that time. The virus, when it gets the levels of Montgomery, who is the director of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5046.782,5088.228"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e The lab in Montgomery then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5088.228,5090.084"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Morris Schaeffer. I took that course when I first, I think I took in 1955, went down there and took, took the course, a very good course one week you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5090.084,5103.196"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/277","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Would be interested in. He wrote sort of a history of the labs, and I put his picture with it. Walt Dowdle gave it to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5103.196,5113.996"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5113.996,5115.06"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's very interesting. I think Morris Shaffer only died recently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5115.06,5119.084"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Just a few years ago, more than 15, I think. He died at the, actually, after he left CDC, he went to New York. They hated the city lab there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5119.084,5134.698"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I didn't know that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5134.698,5135.69"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. Then he was in who. He was a very, very fine fellow. I knew him very well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5135.69,5143.858"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And did he have polio as a child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5143.858,5146.594"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Probably, I never knew. I probably polio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5146.594,5150.46"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I know. He was very well thought of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5150.46,5153.476"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, he was a great, great virologist. Very personal. Yeah, very, very personal. So you might want to have that. This is the plague epidemic I'm talking about in Java. Who are these, these two EIS officers? One is Thompson and I had the names. I can give it to you if you want. I had the names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5153.476,5187.54"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Thompson and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5187.54,5188.956"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Thompson. And.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5188.956,5193.82"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e It was 67.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5193.82,5195.692"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I can, it's 68. 68. We went under the epidemic. Let me see if I jot them down somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5195.692,5218.21"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And this is plague.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5218.21,5219.89"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, they came and investigated, you know, examined the plague cases.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5219.89,5227.49"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And so you needed a mammalogist because of the ratified.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5227.49,5231.94"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, we had a mammalogist group. Let me see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5231.94,5239.3"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I hope it's okay if I write in pencil in the back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5239.3,5241.652"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, go ahead. You can have that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5241.652,5244.58"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I can scan these and send them back to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5244.58,5247.036"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5247.036,5248.316"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, this has the date on it. 1954. See the date? 1954?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5248.316,5254.78"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. 64 is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5254.78,5257.494"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm hmm. September 1954.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5257.494,5260.358"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5260.358,5261.286"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what it says, yeah. San Antonio, Texas. So that's Hidalgo county.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5261.286,5268.014"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, this is, oh, this is a, yeah, this is a St. Louis encephalitis. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5268.014,5275.582"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5275.582,5276.03"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e So that was not plagued. St. Louis encephalitis and not in hidel go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5276.03,5282.574"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e They thought it was a polio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5282.574,5283.852"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Polio at first, but they, but it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5283.852,5285.596"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Turned out to be encephalitis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5285.596,5286.716"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5286.716,5290.42"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e In Hidalgo account. Hidalgo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5290.42,5295.58"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I thought I got the name. Oh, yeah. 1968, the plague epidemic. The EIS officers. Robert Thompson. Robert Thompson. He was assigned to EIs officer in Atlanta. And the Kenneth Ken is quick. I cannot see it. Cook yell. He was assigned University of Washington.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5295.58,5334.912"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it qui give you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5334.912,5336.83"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5336.83,5337.798"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e That's an unusual name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5337.798,5339.142"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, quickle. Yeah. I cannot read very well without the eyeglasses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5339.142,5345.19"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Junior. Kenneth Quickle. Junior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5345.19,5347.494"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5347.494,5347.886"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And he was in Washington state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5347.886,5349.382"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Washington state. Oh, yeah. Q u I c k e L. Junior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5349.382,5355.774"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Junior, yeah. Washington state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5355.774,5358.158"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e He's the one. One that they.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5358.158,5363.48"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And that's the plague epidemic in Java.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5363.48,5365.672"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. In Java, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5365.672,5366.96"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And that's the one for which you got.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5366.96,5370.344"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think this is a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5370.344,5379.44"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/327","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5379.44,5380.8"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5380.8,5381.368"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e You're so good at memory and, well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5381.368,5384.304"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e My memory is not that good anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5384.304,5390.28"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So this one would have been 1968, quickel. Was this one quickel or Thompson?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5390.28,5399.44"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not Thompson. No. This is when assigned to. In Kansas City in Fort Collins it was assigned. I get his name. Okay, later, I'll send it to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5399.44,5417.132"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay, wonderful. And this is Doctor Furkulow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5417.132,5428.932"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Doctor Furkulow. Yeah. He and I, actually, he was in NIH working with the viruses before he came to Kansas City, so he had some, he knew a lot about virology, actually. He was a big help to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5428.932,5449.39"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e You spoke very fondly of him in your interview with Gary Noble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5449.39,5453.87"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5453.87,5459.03"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e These are wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5459.03,5461.03"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e So I think I got moldable. What do you need?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5461.03,5465.2"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I certainly think you earned your nickname, especially in this one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5465.2,5469.32"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Oh, yeah. Here, here's you might want actually, this, this, if you're gonna write about this big epidemic. They say this is doctor Poland. So we went to the field. And this is the group consists of the different technology, different branches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5469.32,5494.922"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So that's Doctor Poland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5494.922,5496.786"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e That's me. That's you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5496.786,5501.61"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, it is. The hat threw me off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5501.61,5506.33"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. This is Poland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5506.33,5507.986"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5507.986,5513.33"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e And this Goldenberg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5513.33,5516.226"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Goldenberg, he was a lab person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5516.226,5518.332"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I think Goldenberg. I can get their names. And this would say he's from technology branch mammalogists, aren't they? And remember all the names.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5518.332,5545.19"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e And so that's Doctor Poland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5545.19,5547.246"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And this is the doctor. Julie. His name is. He's a director of communal diseases in Java.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5547.246,5565.206"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, Julie Sully.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5565.206,5567.142"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Suliandhe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5567.142,5569.1"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So Rosa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5569.1,5570.932"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Sarosa. Yeah. Doctor Julie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5570.932,5576.5"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e First name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5576.5,5577.324"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, she is very good. See if I. Let's see. Suliante. C a s u l I a n t I. Saroso. See that? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5577.324,5598.87"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e So this is Julie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5598.87,5601.718"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Julie. S u l I a n t I. Saroso. S a. Sulianti. Saroso. S A R o S. Okay. She was a very personal person, was training Tulane and she was the, she was the, she was the director general, communal disease of the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5601.718,5647.21"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm hmm. Okay. And then next to her is Doctor Poland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5647.21,5653.298"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5653.298,5654.802"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e What was his first name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5654.802,5656.482"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e The officer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5656.482,5660.25"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, officer. That must have been this one's Thompson. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5660.25,5668.57"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e They say Goldenberg, I think. Goldenberg, the laboratory person. I think I have to get his full name. He was assigned to the in foot Collins, so I can. He was a bacteriologist. I have their name somewhere I can get named.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5668.57,5703.1"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e What I'll do is scan these and send them back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5703.1,5706.644"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e The scanned copy, if you want. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5706.644,5710.98"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e The originals back. Yeah, because I can use a scanned copy or the originals. Chin and golden bird.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5710.98,5735.15"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5735.15,5737.87"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e This is in Java. These pictures make it come alive so much more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5737.87,5752.416"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/370","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think that outbreak was very interesting because they were interested in control plague. Not controlled plague so much, but it's a commercial, because in Java, they have a ship to go to Japan. And the Japanese would they quarantine their ship and have to point it until they treat. It would be a DDT or whatever they need to treat the ship before they can go into the. Into the port. So this is the main reason for requesting for the control of the epidemic. They were more interested in to have their ship treated so that they would enter the japanese harbor. That was the main reason.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5752.416,5823.768"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/371","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5823.768,5826.89"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/372","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e Not so much because of plague, but because the Japanese refuse to have their ship to enter the harbor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5826.89,5833.57"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/373","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e I see. That's very interesting. Well, these are wonderful. Yeah, it's out. It's out of Juice. Thank you so much for the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5833.57,5857.74"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/374","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eB:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a pleasure. Actually, I tried to write all this up eventually, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5857.74,5866.42"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/375","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eA:\u003c/strong\u003e You would make a great story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436#t=5866.42,5869.42"}]},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2843/collection_resources/132657/file/247436/transcript/68953/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/068/953/original/transcript_1765556620.vtt20251212-2593616-c8rcwr.vtt20251212-2593616-c8rcwr?1765556621","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/068/953/original/transcript_1765556620.vtt20251212-2593616-c8rcwr.vtt20251212-2593616-c8rcwr?1765556621"}]}]}]}