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David, welcome to the project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=20.0,22.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: Thank you, Mary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=22.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Do I have your permission to interview you and to record this interview?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=24.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: Yes, you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=29.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: David, you were an Epidemic Intelligence Service [EIS] Officer","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=31.0,35.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"assigned to the Los Angeles County Department of Health from 1981 to 1983. 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I'm sorry, your question is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=1780.0,1786.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: You're on the receiving end of this initial phone call that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=1786.0,1791.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"saying, \"Hey, there are several of these ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=1791.0,1794.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/366","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\npatients with the disease that appear","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=1794.0,1797.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/367","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to have had sexual contact with each other or another intermediary.\" What did","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=1797.0,1803.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/368","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you do when you heard that? Did you pick up the phone and call Atlanta?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=1803.0,1810.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/369","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: I must have spoken probably with Harold Jaffe or Bill Darrow. 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He was right. 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Bill Darrow,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2211.0,2218.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2218.0,2219.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/445","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nbelieve, had met and interviewed him in, I think, New York City. 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He was no longer alive by the time the Cluster Investigation began.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2226.0,2232.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: You were hearing about him through some of his sexual contacts that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2232.0,2238.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were in L.A., and he was an air steward. 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Remember, it was relatively a small population that we were working with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2280.0,2287.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/456","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If I remember, there were, I think there were nineteen known patients in the Los","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2287.0,2295.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/457","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Angeles area. We could interview thirteen of the nineteen. The others, I think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2295.0,2302.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/458","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were no longer alive. Of those thirteen, there were connections among nine of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2302.0,2309.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/459","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"those thirteen. 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That's how it began, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2322.0,2329.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/462","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Your characterization of this Patient Zero I think is very apt. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2329.0,2336.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/463","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"called him a geographic center or geographic ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2336.0,2340.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/464","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nlinkage, because he's in New York,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2340.0,2343.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/465","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you're in California, and all of a sudden there is an individual who's got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2343.0,2350.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/466","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"connections to cases on both coasts of the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2350.0,2355.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/467","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: Right, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2355.0,2356.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/468","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: I think that must have been viewed as a breakthrough in time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2356.0,2362.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/469","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: It was. Of course, even then this does not exclude other theories. 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I think I had two reactions to that. On the one hand, it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2594.0,2602.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a marvelous paper. It serves as a tour de force of epidemiology and molecular","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2602.0,2609.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"biology and even history, and that's all wonderful. It's a contribution to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2609.0,2615.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"science, there's no question about that. On the other hand, when it comes to a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2615.0,2622.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/511","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"matter of what was being refuted here, those of us who were involved early on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2622.0,2629.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/512","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"never suggested, implied or even thought that he was the source. What was being","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2629.0,2636.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/513","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"refuted was a misunderstanding, a misinterpretation of what in print is really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2636.0,2642.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/514","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very, very ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2642.0,2643.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/515","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nclear. 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It's kind of refutation of a straw man in a way, and that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2669.0,2677.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/520","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"did not seem important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2677.0,2679.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/521","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The science of it is still quite marvelous -- of the Nature article that you're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2679.0,2686.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/522","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"referring to. I guess that maybe it does raise the question of, what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2686.0,2692.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/523","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"responsibility do you have if you're writing an article? What responsibility do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2692.0,2698.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/524","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you have for the misinterpretation of what you're writing it on? 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At least I would not have been clever enough to have done that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2741.0,2749.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: The case-control study that you were a major contributor to, the L.A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2749.0,2754.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cluster Investigation, comes out, first in the MMWR and then, as you've said, in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2754.0,2760.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the American Journal of Medicine. 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Let me just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2823.0,2828.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"say this. In some of the speculation at the time about what might be causing the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2828.0,2835.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"disease, I remember -- even putting aside the toxic exposure idea, I think that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2835.0,2841.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was not thought to be relevant fairly early on -- there was some prevailing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2841.0,2847.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/551","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"notion -- the term was \"multifactorial\" -- that being exposed to lots of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2847.0,2853.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/552","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sexually transmitted diseases and maybe some substances and not getting enough","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2853.0,2858.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/553","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"rest or proper nutrition, on and on -- and I must say, I never bought that idea","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=2858.0,2866.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"very well. 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Harold called me and said, \"Why don't you go up to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3022.0,3029.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/583","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"San Francisco and meet with Dr. Ammann and pursue this.\" That's how that episode began.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3029.0,3035.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/584","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Ah, OK, all right. You're the go-to California guy, I'm getting the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3035.0,3040.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/585","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"sense, because you're based in L.A., and obviously there is a lot happening in San","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3040.0,3046.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/586","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Francisco. 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I should explain, the man who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3425.0,3429.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/656","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"donated the blood products was healthy at the time that he donated the blood. He","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3429.0,3436.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was not ill. AIDS was not a known entity. These are volunteer donors-- they're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3436.0,3443.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not paid, and this man thought he was no doubt being a good citizen. That was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3443.0,3451.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"his only motivation. There was no other reason for him to do that. 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He later had a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3506.0,3512.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/668","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"second occurrence of Pneumocystis pneumonia, and he died from that later. Again,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3512.0,3518.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/669","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as it turned out, he was the source of those blood products that had been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3518.0,3525.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/670","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"transfused into the child. By that time, he was no longer alive, and he did not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3525.0,3533.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/671","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know -- he wasn't ill at the time he had donated the blood. Between the time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3533.0,3541.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/672","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"when he first had Pneumocystis pneumonia and the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3541.0,3545.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/673","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nsecond time that proved to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3545.0,3548.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/674","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"fatal for him, he appeared to be a patient who had this disease syndrome that we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3548.0,3556.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/675","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"were all investigating, with no risk factors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3556.0,3559.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/676","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Harold asked me to go up there and interview the man, draw his blood and so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3559.0,3567.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/677","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"forth. This would not have been part of the case-control study, but I remember I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3567.0,3574.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/678","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"used the same form just for information-gathering purposes. I remember I met","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3574.0,3580.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this man at his office. He was a very well-educated, sophisticated man. He","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3580.0,3586.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"understood the importance of what we were doing. I went through the whole","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3586.0,3592.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/681","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"questionnaire. He seemed to be very forthcoming. I should explain he was perhaps","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3592.0,3598.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/682","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in his, I'll say, mid- to late-forties, I think. He ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3598.0,3603.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/683","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nwas single. He'd never been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3603.0,3606.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/684","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"married, and I thought that maybe some of his answers were a little bit -- I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3606.0,3615.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"don't think he had much sexual activity of any kind until my notion of a little","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3615.0,3624.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"bit later in life than is customary. Then again, you might ask who made me an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3624.0,3633.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"expert in normative human sexual behavior, and the answer is nobody. I guess, my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3633.0,3641.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"impression was that he was being forthright and candid with me. That was my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3641.0,3649.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"impression, with a few small qualms perhaps, but in general that was my impression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3649.0,3657.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember calling Mary Guinan, talking to her on the phone about it, and ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3657.0,3665.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/691","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\n I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3665.0,3665.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/692","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"explained that I generally believed the guy, although, with some qualms, maybe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3665.0,3670.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/693","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"partly related to the fact that he was mid-forties or later and had never been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3670.0,3677.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/694","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"married. I remember Mary telling me, \"Well, you know, Dave, I didn't get married","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3677.0,3683.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/695","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"until I was\" -- I think she said about forty. That settled me down. I mean, he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3683.0,3690.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/696","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was probably being very truthful with me. Then I called Bill Darrow, who had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3690.0,3696.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/697","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"this innate sense of whether people are being truthful. Bill was a remarkable","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3696.0,3702.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"guy. 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As I recall, it must have been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3806.0,3813.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Selma Dritz who had spoken with this man's personal physician, who was also a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3813.0,3820.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"family friend, and who assured Dr. Dritz that this man was not gay. 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I reviewed those records, and this doctor had treated this man","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3928.0,3935.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/741","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"several times for rectal gonorrhea. 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Obviously this is a big deal. It gets published in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3957.0,3964.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/747","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the December issue of the MMWR, December 10, 1982. 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I should say yes, the publication and this episode got a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3975.0,3982.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"huge amount of press. This episode, the connection to the reputedly \"no risk","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=3982.0,3988.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"factor,\" that -- I've never seen that in print. 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Maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4013.0,4014.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/758","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: gonococcal disease.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4014.0,4015.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: Perhaps not the connection to the question of whether he was a zero","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4015.0,4022.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/760","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"risk factor (case).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4022.0,4023.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/761","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Exactly, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4023.0,4024.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/762","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: Yes, ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4024.0,4025.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/763","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nright. The case itself got a huge amount of attention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4025.0,4030.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/764","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Did you get drawn into some of that media scrum?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4030.0,4035.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/765","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: I did, I did. I think it's fair to say that when the general","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4035.0,4042.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"perception was that the disease was confined to this one subpopulation of gay","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4042.0,4048.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"individuals, it did not have a great deal -- it had some traction, but not, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4048.0,4055.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"think, the attention it deserved. 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Health professionals always knew that, but once it became","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4067.0,4072.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"more generally understood that the disease would not be confined, then there was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4072.0,4078.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a great deal of interest, of course. This transfusion-related, apparently","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4078.0,4083.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"transfusion-related, case was maybe one of ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4083.0,4086.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nthe landmarks on that road.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4086.0,4089.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I remember I was asked to be interviewed after this case by one of the major","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4089.0,4098.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/776","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"news networks at the time. I had plenty of time to think about my answer to the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4098.0,4108.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/777","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"obvious question. I was asked on camera, \"Does this mean that this illness can","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4108.0,4116.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/778","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"be transmitted by blood transfusion?\" My answer was that, of course, this was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4116.0,4123.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/779","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one instance. My answer was that I thought this gave us very strong","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4123.0,4130.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/780","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"circumstantial evidence that in fact, this disease could be, was transmitted by","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4130.0,4137.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"blood transfusions. That was my answer. 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They cut from my answer to a different response from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4211.0,4217.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"someone who looked far more credible, I will admit. 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He was wearing a white coat, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4228.0,4235.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"he looked like the distinguished doctor out of central casting. On the screen","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4235.0,4240.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/799","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"below it identified him as Dr. Joseph [R.] Bove. It said he was the Chief of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4240.0,4246.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/800","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hematology at Yale-New Haven Medical Center and President of the American","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4246.0,4250.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/801","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Association of Blood Bankers. When he was asked the question, \"Does this suggest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4250.0,4255.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/802","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that this disease is transmitted by blood transfusion?\" he said, \"Absolutely","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4255.0,4259.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/803","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not. There is not a single, credible shred of evidence that that is the case.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4259.0,4265.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/804","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What was funny is that just given the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4265.0,4268.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/805","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nmedium, I guess, I was inclined to 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For example, I remember after And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4622.0,4631.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/872","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Band Played ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4631.0,4633.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/873","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nOn, the book by Randy Shilts, was published, that re-invigorated","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4633.0,4638.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/874","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a great deal of interest in all of this, including the Patient Zero. 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His question basically was something like, \"Tell me, Dr. Auerbach,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4854.0,4860.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/912","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"if this disease entity had primarily affected affluent, suburban businessmen,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4860.0,4865.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/913","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would it have gotten more attention than it did from the government and from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4865.0,4872.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/914","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"investigative resources?\" I ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4872.0,4873.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/915","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nsuppose it's one of these things where you put like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4873.0,4877.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/916","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"a balloon above your head -- \"your thoughts?\" I suppose the answer is, the short","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4877.0,4883.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/917","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"answer is \"Yes, of course.\" It's a rhetorical question, really or should be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4883.0,4888.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/918","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My answer -- which I think, was more appropriate and more fair and maybe more","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4888.0,4894.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/919","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"reality-based -- my answer was that I certainly cannot speak for resource","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4894.0,4899.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/920","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"allocation at the higher levels of the Reagan administration. That's not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4899.0,4903.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/921","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"something I had any particular insight into. 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Again, you have to realize, of course, that CDC","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4943.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/930","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"cannot possibly have budgeted for something that didn't exist. I don't know too","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4950.0,4956.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/931","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"much about government budgeting, but it cannot include budgeting for things,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=4956.0,4961.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/932","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"problems that have not materialized. 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It's really astonishing and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5119.0,5121.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/958","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"quite wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5121.0,5122.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/959","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's still a terrible disease with terrible impact for a great many people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5122.0,5128.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/960","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"around the world, but the progress that was made very quickly is really very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5128.0,5134.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/961","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remarkable. 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I remember, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5228.0,5235.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/978","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was asked to give talks to various ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5235.0,5239.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/979","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\ngroups, and that accelerated as the interest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5239.0,5242.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/980","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grew. 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This one young","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5360.0,5366.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1003","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"physician -- they were all very appreciative and thanked me -- this one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5366.0,5372.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1004","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"physician came up to me, and again, he thanked me, he liked my talk and all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5372.0,5379.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1005","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that. 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I was conscious of that, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5396.0,5402.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1009","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was quite sure I hadn't said anything offensive, but I couldn't help but ask","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5402.0,5408.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1010","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"him. 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I'm sure he's right, and so that was no doubt","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5457.0,5463.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1020","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the last time I used the word homosexual, as opposed to the word gay. Again, it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5463.0,5469.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1021","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was very clear to both of us that he was doing me a favor, and I've always been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5469.0,5476.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1022","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"grateful to that man for ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5476.0,5478.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1023","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nhis advice or his assistance at that moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5478.0,5481.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1024","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: It sounds like being a part of something that changed the history","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5481.0,5486.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1025","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and course of public health -- as you said, it was in many ways a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5486.0,5492.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1026","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"once-in-a-lifetime opportunity -- it no doubt impacted you professionally and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5492.0,5496.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1027","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"personally, as you've just related. It's been fascinating hearing some of your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5496.0,5501.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1028","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"stories from those very early days, and I'm pleased that we could do this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5501.0,5507.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1029","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anything that we haven't covered, any closing thoughts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5507.0,5510.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1030","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: Maybe one footnote to my Harry Reasoner interview. They did not use","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5510.0,5515.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1031","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the segment -- maybe that goes without saying. That's just as well. I remember","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5515.0,5521.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1032","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"during the basic training course that CDC puts you through during the month of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5521.0,5527.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1033","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"July when you first start to work with them, I remember there was a public","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5527.0,5533.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1034","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"affairs officer for CDC who gave us all the ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5533.0,5537.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1035","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\nadvice. He mentioned that he had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5537.0,5539.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1036","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"noted a tendency among people who were being interviewed for television to want","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5539.0,5544.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1037","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to say something that will ingratiate themselves, that will get them on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5544.0,5549.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1038","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"television. 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I suggested that he look into CBS news files for the amount of attention","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5602.0,5608.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1050","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that CBS news gave to this topic in, let's say 1981 and 82 and early 83. I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5608.0,5615.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1051","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that pretty much nailed it that I would not be seeing myself on 60 Minutes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5615.0,5621.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1052","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which is just as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5621.0,5623.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1053","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: But we've had a chance to capture you here today, and we're very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5623.0,5628.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1054","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"glad that we could.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5628.0,5630.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1055","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: Yes. That's right. I've enjoyed it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5630.0,5633.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1056","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CHAMBERLAND: Absolutely. David, thank you so much. This has really been, as I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5633.0,5638.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1057","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"said, a real privilege to chat with you and get the perspective of someone who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5638.0,5644.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1058","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"was on the front lines in L.A., one of the very, very early epicenters of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5644.0,5650.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1059","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"disease, and we're very happy that you agreed to do this. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5650.0,5655.0"},{"id":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002/transcript/69487/annotation/1060","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUERBACH: I've enjoyed it, Mary. Thank you very much. ","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://globalhealthchronicles.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2847/collection_resources/134210/file/249002#t=5655.0,5658.0"}]}]}]}